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Us to send 17.6billion to Israel

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EasterIssland · 03/02/2024 21:37

17.6 billion would include funds to help replenish Israel's missile defense systems, procure additional advanced weapons systems, and produce artillery and other munitions

why
why does Israel need so much money if they’re such a successful country
why Israel? Why not any other country?
What benefit does usa get from funding a conflict ?

can anyone explain why does usa keep on aiding Israel when this money could save many lives around the world?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-house-panel-recommends-176-billion-military-aid-israel-2024-02-03/

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Murica · 16/02/2024 15:01

Isn't he? He's hoping it will go viral since he made the video. It might but not for the reason he'll be hoping. He knows he can't be president since he was born in Turkey. He's a dick.

DreamVortex · 16/02/2024 12:03

EasterIssland · 16/02/2024 07:17

Just saw this ad that apparently it’s gone viral in USA about their taxpayers money paying for this war

https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1757968323231584457

Wow, that Cenk Uygur guy is really quite disgusting.

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EasterIssland · 16/02/2024 07:17

Just saw this ad that apparently it’s gone viral in USA about their taxpayers money paying for this war

https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1757968323231584457

https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1757968323231584457

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DreamVortex · 13/02/2024 21:12

BelleHathor · 08/02/2024 09:13

Also interesting are the 14 Republicans who voted against the bill citing fiscal responsibility.

US Debt is currently 34 trillion dollars and rising fast, debt thar citizens today are paying but worst will be left to their grandchildren to pay.

https://www.businessinsider.com/which-republicans-voted-against-standalone-israel-aid-bill-2024-2?amp

Yes I'm sure Marjorie Taylor "Jewish space lasers" Greene is really concerned about fiscal responsibility.

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BelleHathor · 08/02/2024 09:13

Also interesting are the 14 Republicans who voted against the bill citing fiscal responsibility.

US Debt is currently 34 trillion dollars and rising fast, debt thar citizens today are paying but worst will be left to their grandchildren to pay.

https://www.businessinsider.com/which-republicans-voted-against-standalone-israel-aid-bill-2024-2?amp

These 14 House Republicans voted against a $17.6 billion Israel aid bill

The bill failed in a vote on Tuesday evening, failing to garner the necessary two-thirds support to pass the House.

https://www.businessinsider.com/which-republicans-voted-against-standalone-israel-aid-bill-2024-2?amp=

BackandForthRoundandRound · 08/02/2024 01:24

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3BzcqDNGKj/?igsh=cmhkangwOGgzeDJ1 A congressman speaking as to why he voted no to this

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3BzcqDNGKj?igsh=cmhkangwOGgzeDJ1

BackandForthRoundandRound · 07/02/2024 14:04

EasterIssland · 07/02/2024 13:46

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/02/06/border-fight-house-rejects-bill-providing-17-6-billion-in-israel-aid/72484626007/

Good ~ thanks for posting

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knitnerd90 · 05/02/2024 19:30

Parkingt111 · 05/02/2024 10:47

@knitnerd90 thanks for that
Do you know why Trump is against it? I thought he was generally quite supportive of Israel. Or is he only against the funding of Ukraine

He's against funding Ukraine and this is also tied to a border deal he doesn't want.

Snowypeak · 05/02/2024 13:16

ProfessorPipsqueak · 04/02/2024 16:41

No sorry I don't agree.

On March 1 was the The Huwara pogram, the violence from Israeli settlers was so brutral that an Israeli commander called it a pogrom.

In June there were 5 days of pograms where gangs of armed settlers, often in the hundreds, descended on 17 different Palestinian villages, lighting dozens of homes and cars on fire and shooting at Palestinian homes. The attacks by Jewish settlers prompted a raid by the Israeli military, which took part in and escalated the violence, turning their weapons on Palestinian residents and preventing critical medical care from reaching the injured.

The violence was escalating all year to prior to Oct 7. The international community had voiced their concerns at the rising level of violence from Israeli settlers and the IDF. Israel approved more and more funding to take more land from Palestinians inciting the violence from the settlers. It was anything but a ceasefire. It was a brutal year for Palestinians.

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Thank you for highlighting this.

Parkingt111 · 05/02/2024 10:47

@knitnerd90 thanks for that
Do you know why Trump is against it? I thought he was generally quite supportive of Israel. Or is he only against the funding of Ukraine

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EasterIssland · 05/02/2024 10:24

knitnerd90 · 05/02/2024 09:50

I don't know that I am a fan of additional aid, particularly unconditional, but there's a few things to know.

  1. A 2008 law requires the USA to help Israel maintain its qualitative military edge in the region. A lot of the funding dates back to an informal agreement made after the Camp David Accords in 1978. That is why America's second biggest recipient of aid is Egypt. Not the best regime in the world either. The base aid amounts have been set by appropriation through, IIRC, 2028.

  2. Most aid to Israel is in the form of FMF: Israel has to spend it on American made things. This means that the defence industry loves it, it is a massive backdoor subsidy to them.

  3. Netanyahu pretends to love Trump because he can play him like a fiddle. He could not play Obama or Biden the same way, so he hates them, even though their policies weren't very effective.

  4. Congress did not want to send money to Ukraine, so Biden tied it to Israel funding to force the Republicans to do it.

The deal isn't set yet. It could fall apart in the House because Trump is against it.

Thanks @knitnerd90 ans also thank you to those to sticking to the thread and avoiding derailment

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25milesfromhome · 05/02/2024 10:12

queenofarles · 05/02/2024 09:34

I’m not doubling down 25Miles ,
nor did i mention in my posts "happily coexisted", nor am I denying that Jews didn’t experience unrest and were not forced to leave , but for the sake of being unbiased so did others Muslims in the countries mentioned in your list for simply belonging to a religious Islamic group or an opponent political group.

Again, not disagreeing with you or denying that also happened. It was the treatment of Jews in the region that was being discussed by me, as some incorrect reframing was going on, and still doubling down.

knitnerd90 · 05/02/2024 09:50

I don't know that I am a fan of additional aid, particularly unconditional, but there's a few things to know.

  1. A 2008 law requires the USA to help Israel maintain its qualitative military edge in the region. A lot of the funding dates back to an informal agreement made after the Camp David Accords in 1978. That is why America's second biggest recipient of aid is Egypt. Not the best regime in the world either. The base aid amounts have been set by appropriation through, IIRC, 2028.

  2. Most aid to Israel is in the form of FMF: Israel has to spend it on American made things. This means that the defence industry loves it, it is a massive backdoor subsidy to them.

  3. Netanyahu pretends to love Trump because he can play him like a fiddle. He could not play Obama or Biden the same way, so he hates them, even though their policies weren't very effective.

  4. Congress did not want to send money to Ukraine, so Biden tied it to Israel funding to force the Republicans to do it.

The deal isn't set yet. It could fall apart in the House because Trump is against it.

queenofarles · 05/02/2024 09:34

I’m not doubling down 25Miles ,
nor did i mention in my posts "happily coexisted", nor am I denying that Jews didn’t experience unrest and were not forced to leave , but for the sake of being unbiased so did others Muslims in the countries mentioned in your list for simply belonging to a religious Islamic group or an opponent political group.

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 05/02/2024 09:31

I think that the aid is to try and keep a military presence in the region because of international shipping.

Yemen -a proxy for Iran is threatening trade in the Red Sea and Israel (acting as proxy for the USA) can retaliate.

The UK imported £63.5 billion from China in 2023 most going through the Red Sea and the USA still $35.5 although it is rapidly on-shoring.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 05/02/2024 09:07

queenofarles · 05/02/2024 08:27

who experienced persecution, denial of citizenship and displacement from three of the countries on that list both pre and post WW2. No refugee status, no reparations and no right of return afforded to them.
so did many Muslim Iraqis , Syrians , Egyptians ,
they were imprisoned , forced into exile even killed ,due to political unrest in their countries .

That fact doesn't fit into the narrative for some...

25milesfromhome · 05/02/2024 08:43

Can’t edit now, but just to correct myself so there can be no misunderstanding, I was talking about three of the countries from the list on my previous post, not yours.

25milesfromhome · 05/02/2024 08:34

queenofarles · 05/02/2024 08:27

who experienced persecution, denial of citizenship and displacement from three of the countries on that list both pre and post WW2. No refugee status, no reparations and no right of return afforded to them.
so did many Muslim Iraqis , Syrians , Egyptians ,
they were imprisoned , forced into exile even killed ,due to political unrest in their countries .

I’m not disagreeing with you or suggesting those things didn’t happen as well so I’m not sure why you’re doubling down on this.

queenofarles · 05/02/2024 08:27

who experienced persecution, denial of citizenship and displacement from three of the countries on that list both pre and post WW2. No refugee status, no reparations and no right of return afforded to them.
so did many Muslim Iraqis , Syrians , Egyptians ,
they were imprisoned , forced into exile even killed ,due to political unrest in their countries .

queenofarles · 05/02/2024 08:19

But the overall picture of Jews in the ME in the 20th century is one of persecution & people having to leave (often leaving everything behind) because their lives were no longer tenable in those countries.

and no one is denying it , and there are reasons behind that as I’ve stated in my post, it did not just come out of nowhere , prior to WW2 almost every ME country had a Jewish Community.
there were always Jews living along with Muslims , their history and faiths are so intertwined.

even in countries like Iran , Jews are still protected by the constitution and have one seat in the Iranian parliament.

western imperialism and colonialism played a horrible part in shaping the current religious and political climate in the ME and that’s the root of so many long lasting issues in the ME.