Uk politicians position about the war

"I think Israelis feel the same given concerns about immigration/ emigration from the country."

Can you elaborate?

Your post has reinforced my view that a coloniser can only enforce their presence by brutal force.

You speak of the brutality of 7/10 and the need to destroy tunnels and explosives. However- you fail to mention the devastation that Israel has wreaked in Gaza and that their safety comes at the expense of innocent people including thousands of children.

Does it make Israel feel safer to have caused this?

They may have neutralised an immediate threat from Gaza, but look what is happening on it’s northern border. See what’s happening to its trade routes with the Houthis bombing ships on route to Israel. They have agitated many people against their cause. And I do want Israel to exist, but not by inflicting plausible genocide.

So - no, I can’t see that this has made Israel a safer place in the short, medium or long term.

I think Israelis feel the same given concerns about immigration/ emigration from the country.

Since the formation of Israel in 1948, the Muslim nations surrounding Israel have hated on it for existing.
At the moment neither side are really willing to trust that a two -state solution is possible.

Palestinians don't want a 2 state state solution because they believe that Israel should not exist at all and that the land is all rightfully theirs. They want "From the river to the sea" entirely free of Israelis. Peace will only happen once Israel's neighbours accept that Israel isn't going anywhere.

Israel's current government don't believe in a 2 state solution because they have zero trust in sharing a border with a nation that has continuously shown that it supports terror attacks like Oct 7th. A 2 state solution means that the Israel/Palestinian borders will be a lot bigger and Israel can only afford to do that if they trust that this border will be safe.

So you ask, will this conflict being resolution and lasting peace? Realistically, most probably not, for a very long time. But hopefully it will at least make another brutal attack like Oct 7th practically not possible for a very long time, by destroying tunnels, weapons explosives etc.

@Ladyjanegreysketle

Let me ask this then @Ladyjanegreysketle - although of course you don’t need to engage in this:

Do you think Israel’s current actions in Gaza and WB are going result in lasting peace with Palestinians and the neighbouring countries or cause increased animosity?

Didn’t mean to harass you. To me, the questions are all inter-related and stem from the above one.

Probably the same as the rest of us with a few moments free. Learning, occasionally contributing (sometimes with our dis a bit gruntled) then toddling off to the rest of our humdrum lives.

go to ask what are you doing on a discussion forum then?
Those were fair questions. Not harassment of any kind.

I'm not answerable to you or anyone else, so just give it a rest.

All very good points. Points @Ladyjanegreysketle doesn’t seem to have any answers to.

I'm not answering your barrage of questions.

Go and harass someone else.

@Ladyjanegreysketle
If Isreal is going to have peace, it’s going to have to negotiate.

Do you think there are Palestinians that think kindly of Israel after what it has been doing in the WB and Gaza? What of it’s existing neighbours? Do you think Israel’s actions have endeared it to them? Hamas represents an ideology that is not going to go away unless there is meaningful action by Israel to negotiate a 2ss. If it isn’t called Hamas, it will be called something else. It doesn’t even need a name.

Colonisation only prevails by force- can you name me an existing colony still governed by the colonisers? Is this how you envisage Israel existing -continually reliant on its iron dome?

@Ladyjanegreysketle What about all the Palestinians Israel killed before October 7th? You acknowledge that Hamas is a danger to Israelis but fail to acknowledge that Israel is a danger to Palestinians.

I think everyone knows that any 'Peace Deal' that leaves Hamas still in power is worse than useless.
Hamas has already said that it will repeat 7/10 so any 'deal' just gives them a chance to rearm.
So yet more people would die eventually.
Hamas has set out some ridiculous terms because, I suspect, they don't want peace, just the destruction of Israel and the setting up of an Islamic Caliphate in the Middle East.

Also interested to see who is saying what they think people want to hear, and who is willing to make a stand for humanity. Although that time really passed a long time ago.

I'm not really sure that the third largest party in the UK (despite only fielding candidates in one nation in the UK) and the current governing party in Scotland counts as 'has-been'.

Just in -

"A third Labour politician attended a meeting of activists at the centre of an antisemitism row within the party, Sky News understands.
Hyndburn councillor Munsif Dad, who leads the local authority's Labour group, is thought to have been at the gathering where two parliamentary candidates are alleged to have made anti-Israel remarks."

I'll post more when it all comes out.

Oh ffs.

That will go down like lead balloon.

Both the government and the opposition have said they support Israel's right to defend itself.

I wish these has-been parties would stop wasting Parliamentary time.

I can't understand anyone ever voting Labour again !

I genuinely can't understand anyone voting Tory ever again.

Just seen this ,

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/14/starmer-councillors-meeting-israel-comments-azhar-ali-rochdale-labour

Which 'people in her party' ??

Seems a bit nebulous to me.