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Parkingt111 · 30/01/2024 16:07

And now shockingly this. for those of you who have been following the hospital thread would have seen Al Amal hospital has been under siege by the IDF for a number of days. This is the latest update by sky news:

Israeli forces have stormed al Amal Hospital in Gaza's southern Khan Younis and told people to evacuate at gunpoint, the Palestinian Red Crescent Society says.
In a statement on X, the PRCS said "displaced individuals and PRCS teams are being demanded to evacuate the building under the threat of arms".
"PRCS teams and displaced individuals are currently in severe danger," it added.
The report comes hours after the PRCS reported a woman has been killed and nine others injured by shrapnel from Israeli tank fire near the hospital.

Desertrose2023 · 30/01/2024 16:04

Parkingt111 · 30/01/2024 16:01

This is interesting from sky

Israeli commandos dressing as Palestinian medics to enter a hospital in the West Bank is "tactically very questionable", security and defence analyst Michael Clarke has said.
Looking at the raid on the hospital in Jenin, in which Israeli troops dressed as Palestinians and killed three Hamas fighters, Clarke noted that Hamas "had not disputed" that those shot were members.
He said Israeli forces "obviously had some intelligence and they took on the hospital".
"The issue about that is we know that Israel is going for Hamas people everywhere and there is some legal justification for that given who Hamas are and what they do," he said.
"But in sheer tactical terms to behave like Hamas and dress up like medics and move in, not in uniform as special forces but to be an assassination squad that looks very much like a Hamas assassination squad, I think is tactically very questionable.
"It will certainly convince the anti-Israeli opinion out there that the Israelis are terrorists."

Thanks for this, interesting.

not much convincing needed that the Israelis are terrorists, especially given the last 100+ days of Genocide.

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Parkingt111 · 30/01/2024 16:01

This is interesting from sky

Israeli commandos dressing as Palestinian medics to enter a hospital in the West Bank is "tactically very questionable", security and defence analyst Michael Clarke has said.
Looking at the raid on the hospital in Jenin, in which Israeli troops dressed as Palestinians and killed three Hamas fighters, Clarke noted that Hamas "had not disputed" that those shot were members.
He said Israeli forces "obviously had some intelligence and they took on the hospital".
"The issue about that is we know that Israel is going for Hamas people everywhere and there is some legal justification for that given who Hamas are and what they do," he said.
"But in sheer tactical terms to behave like Hamas and dress up like medics and move in, not in uniform as special forces but to be an assassination squad that looks very much like a Hamas assassination squad, I think is tactically very questionable.
"It will certainly convince the anti-Israeli opinion out there that the Israelis are terrorists."

Desertrose2023 · 30/01/2024 16:01

From the Guardian reporting
^^
A hospital spokesperson, Tawfiq al-Shobaki, said there was no exchange of fire during the raid but that the Israelis attacked doctors, nurses and hospital security. In security camera footage, one of the undercover agents can be seen searching a man against a wall with his hands above his head.

One of the men killed was apparently already paralyzed having been injured in an earlier Israeli attack in a cemetery which also killed a 15 year old boy.

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Auvergne63 · 30/01/2024 15:58

SomeCatFromJapan · 30/01/2024 14:34

Thing is the US does similar, they also carry out targeted stikes and drone strikes. Would you allay that Bin Laden was unlawfully executed, for instance? Should he have been arrested and brought to trial instead?

Yes!

Auvergne63 · 30/01/2024 15:54

HeraSyndulla · 30/01/2024 14:04

Did Hamas follow the laws of international armed conflict ?.

Once again, Hamas cannot join the Geneva convention on the ground of being a terrorist organisation, therefore are not legally bound by it. On the other hand, Israel has but appears to totally forgotten about it. This will come to haunt them.

Desertrose2023 · 30/01/2024 15:51

ProfessorPipsqueak · 30/01/2024 15:15

Some of the responses to this are very strange. If this happened on UK soil and armed soldiers disguised as medics came in and shot and killed 3 unarmed suspects in their hospital beds posters would be saying it was fine? If you were a member of medical staff or a patient in a UK hospital and 3 executions were carried out in front of you how would you feel? This wouldn't be ok. I don't understand why Israel are held lower standards than other countries, especially when they are being provided with arms and funds.

This. Thank you.

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Auvergne63 · 30/01/2024 15:51

HeraSyndulla · 30/01/2024 14:01

You need to read some of the witness statements and autopsy reports of the Hamas atrocities committed on innocent women and children including babies. That’s the reason for this. Mosad and the IDF will continue until they are satisfied the threat of further acts of brutality is secured. And what about all the hostages the Palestinian terrorists have abducted, including children.

Hamas are the Einsatzgruppen, and there is only one way to deal with them. History has taught the Jewish people that. This time they’re not going to fight back.

I thought we were not allowed to mention WW2.

Auvergne63 · 30/01/2024 15:49

hogmanayhoolie · 30/01/2024 14:00

I wish I could be comfortable with supporting terrorists but I can't seem to do that

I don't see them as just bad people 🤷🏻‍♀️

Stop implying that we, posters who see why this state sponsored murder in an hospital is unacceptable, are terrorists. I am sick of this lazy, ill thought counter argument.

Auvergne63 · 30/01/2024 15:44

Desertrose2023 · 30/01/2024 13:36

the lengths and mental gymnastics that some posters go to in order to justify and excuse literal war crimes really beggars belief.

To be honest, when your back is against the wall, you lash out because having to face the fact that the Israeli government you support is becoming the monster it wanted to kill is too hard.

Iwasafool · 30/01/2024 15:38

hogmanayhoolie · 30/01/2024 13:06

As pointed out by Aswad earlier in this thread

Israel can't win.

They took out three terrorists without collateral damage

And mumsnetters are boo hooing about it

It says that doctors, nurses and security staff were attacked. Isn't that collateral damage?

Auvergne63 · 30/01/2024 15:38

hogmanayhoolie · 30/01/2024 13:15

This place is crazy

Won't people think of the poor terrorists

Unbelievable. Disgusting

What is disgusting is state sponsor murder is ok if the Israeli government is doing it.

SomeCatFromJapan · 30/01/2024 15:38

https://twitter.com/iamBrianBJ/status/1752280883996790925

Here's some info in the unit that carried out the hit - apparently the tv series Fauda is based on them.

https://twitter.com/iamBrianBJ/status/1752280883996790925

Auvergne63 · 30/01/2024 15:31

hogmanayhoolie · 30/01/2024 13:06

As pointed out by Aswad earlier in this thread

Israel can't win.

They took out three terrorists without collateral damage

And mumsnetters are boo hooing about it

Would you tolerate this if it was the other way round? Double standard, again.

Auvergne63 · 30/01/2024 15:28

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Being called and other posters antisemitic every time were dare criticise the Israeli government's methods of operation is tedious and tiring. I also think that it indicates the inability to counter argue a point.
This was an assassination in an hospital. They deliberately dressed as medics to avoid detection, not the first time they have done something like that. Last time, this happened they pretended to bring in a pregnant woman. Despicable.
It is something terrorists would do, like Hamas.

stormy4319trevor · 30/01/2024 15:25

Sounds like a very responsible operation @MercanDede

MercanDede · 30/01/2024 15:22

stormy4319trevor · 30/01/2024 15:13

Interesting bit of history re: bin laden @MercanDede I understand why he was killed rather than arrested now. I'd forgotten the details as it was so long ago.

They had dismissed a drone strike which would have killed everyone in the compound for these reasons

  1. The law says should try and capture or arrest
  2. The presence of human shields in the compound- civilians including women and many children.

That is why they did the six man SEAL raid. To give Bin Laden a chance to surrender and to not kill innocent human shields.

PaulCostinRIP · 30/01/2024 15:20

When there is a war on, people do invariably try and kill those they are at war with.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 30/01/2024 15:17

MercanDede · 30/01/2024 15:10

Sorry? Is this a game to you? I don’t follow.

No.

It's a saying.

ProfessorPipsqueak · 30/01/2024 15:15

Some of the responses to this are very strange. If this happened on UK soil and armed soldiers disguised as medics came in and shot and killed 3 unarmed suspects in their hospital beds posters would be saying it was fine? If you were a member of medical staff or a patient in a UK hospital and 3 executions were carried out in front of you how would you feel? This wouldn't be ok. I don't understand why Israel are held lower standards than other countries, especially when they are being provided with arms and funds.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 30/01/2024 15:15

Parkingt111 · 30/01/2024 14:41

Like this paramedic in Jenin, assaulted by the IDF just a day or so ago. How can healthcare workers be treated like this

I had been meaning to post this ~ thank you for doing so. I watched the video yesterday and it is another in a longline of vicious assaults on healthcare workers. After this there was a video of a young child being attacked in the street by them... It is neverending.

stormy4319trevor · 30/01/2024 15:13

Interesting bit of history re: bin laden @MercanDede I understand why he was killed rather than arrested now. I'd forgotten the details as it was so long ago.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 30/01/2024 15:10

Terrorist, freedom fighter, unarmed soldier, innocent victim falsely identified. All of them as human beings deserve if possible a fair trial. In this case arresting and taking into custody was possible and therefore should have happened. If it can happen to an unarmed terrorist it can happen to an innocent person being mis-identfied. Like it or not, no matter how heinous previous crimes have been you don't summarily execute without a trial, its a line that should never be crossed. Once crossed then justification will reduce and errors will be made.

MercanDede · 30/01/2024 15:10

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 30/01/2024 15:03

Play silly games, win silly prices.

Sorry? Is this a game to you? I don’t follow.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 30/01/2024 15:07

hogmanayhoolie · 30/01/2024 13:06

As pointed out by Aswad earlier in this thread

Israel can't win.

They took out three terrorists without collateral damage

And mumsnetters are boo hooing about it

As it was in a hospital! Which is not supposed to be allowed to happen. But we have already seen the disrespect that they have for international laws especially when it comes to hospitals as they've already destroyed enough of them and murdered countless others there

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