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DownNative · 31/01/2024 14:34

Forgot to attach.

Undercover operations are not explicitly prohibited either. This conflict is also better described as a non-international armed conflict (NIAC).

Israel ‘hit squad’ kill 3 Palestinians in West Bank Hospital
DownNative · 31/01/2024 14:32

Justpontificating · 31/01/2024 14:25

Essentially this thread, if one reads between the lines and not so literally, is one about unlawful killing / assassination
The man with the white flag
The three men in the hospital

All unlawful killings of people who were not an immediate threat to their perpetrators
So both issues very relevant

It's not axiomatic that the two separate incidents are or can be considered to be the same.

It's not even axiomatic that the Israel Defense Force Special Forces unit committed an act of perfidy under IHL.

There's not enough information to make that determination. This is especially why it's not remotely helpful to try filling in the gaps with speculation and an unrelated incident.

And, yes, I've read various posts in this thread since yesterday so I'm familiar with what several posters believe.

I would add that perception is not necessarily reality.

DownNative · 31/01/2024 14:27

anotherlevel · 31/01/2024 14:19

@DownNative You've clearly missed the point of my previous post. Probably because Palestinian lives do not matter as much.

No, your previous post is irrelevant to the actual topic of THIS thread. I suggest you look at the top....🧐

I repeat, mixing different incidents up deliberately doesn't help discussion/debate over the actual topic at hand.

Moving on....

Justpontificating · 31/01/2024 14:25

Essentially this thread, if one reads between the lines and not so literally, is one about unlawful killing / assassination
The man with the white flag
The three men in the hospital

All unlawful killings of people who were not an immediate threat to their perpetrators
So both issues very relevant

anotherlevel · 31/01/2024 14:19

@DownNative You've clearly missed the point of my previous post. Probably because Palestinian lives do not matter as much.

DownNative · 31/01/2024 14:09

anotherlevel · 31/01/2024 14:05

@DownNative

  • This is a different incident, isn't it, to the one this thread is about?

It really doesn't help discussion/debate to mix the two very different scenarios up.*

Maybe so but your post shows no empathy or compassion at all. Nor does it show that you condemn such a crime.

Edited

It's either a different incident or It's not.

Different = off topic and out of scope of the thread itself. So, I'm sure there's a thread for it that's suitable.

Mixing different incidents up implying they're the same could be considered as poisoning the well and confirmation bias in relation to the very topic itself. 🧐

anotherlevel · 31/01/2024 14:05

@DownNative

  • This is a different incident, isn't it, to the one this thread is about?

It really doesn't help discussion/debate to mix the two very different scenarios up.*

Maybe so but your post shows no empathy or compassion at all. Nor does it show that you condemn such a crime.

DownNative · 31/01/2024 14:02

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This is a different incident, isn't it, to the one this thread is about?

It really doesn't help discussion/debate to mix the two very different scenarios up. 🤷‍♂️

Parkingt111 · 31/01/2024 13:54

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Desertrose2023 · 31/01/2024 13:50

SomeCatFromJapan · 31/01/2024 13:43

Anyone know how best to register a complaint against Talk TV and specifically Julia Brewer what’s her face for perpetuating Israeli government lies and propaganda?

https://www.ipso.co.uk/complain/

Thank you, appreciated 👍

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Parkingt111 · 31/01/2024 13:46

SomeCatFromJapan · 31/01/2024 13:43

Anyone know how best to register a complaint against Talk TV and specifically Julia Brewer what’s her face for perpetuating Israeli government lies and propaganda?

https://www.ipso.co.uk/complain/

Thanks 👍
@SomeCatFromJapan @Desertrose2023

BackandForthRoundandRound · 31/01/2024 13:45

Desertrose2023 · 31/01/2024 13:38

Anyone know how best to register a complaint against Talk TV and specifically Julia Brewer what’s her face for perpetuating Israeli government lies and propaganda?

She should not be on air at all.... I was absolutely disgusted by her behaviour towards a Palestinian guest several weeks ago.

I know that quite a lot of people have complained about her behaviour. The more the better, I would say.

SomeCatFromJapan · 31/01/2024 13:43

Anyone know how best to register a complaint against Talk TV and specifically Julia Brewer what’s her face for perpetuating Israeli government lies and propaganda?

https://www.ipso.co.uk/complain/

Complain

How to make a complaint to IPSO

https://www.ipso.co.uk/complain

DownNative · 31/01/2024 13:42

stormy4319trevor · 30/01/2024 17:31

Where was that reported, please?

The bit with the pistol was reported by Reuters, for example.

Israel ‘hit squad’ kill 3 Palestinians in West Bank Hospital
Desertrose2023 · 31/01/2024 13:38

Parkingt111 · 31/01/2024 13:11

And here's a IDF commander admitting they may have made a 'mistake' when murdering the Palestinian man who was walking with a white flag. The whole thing was recorded and initially was accused of being doctored footage.
After coming under heavy criticism of committing a televised war crime the IDF have now conceded to look into it. As the reporter rightfully says that even if proven true, there is unlikely to be any repercussions for the soldiers who committed the war crime

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-01-30/senior-israeli-commander-indicates-idf-were-behind-gaza-white-flag-shooting

Anyone know how best to register a complaint against Talk TV and specifically Julia Brewer what’s her face for perpetuating Israeli government lies and propaganda?

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Parkingt111 · 31/01/2024 13:11

And here's a IDF commander admitting they may have made a 'mistake' when murdering the Palestinian man who was walking with a white flag. The whole thing was recorded and initially was accused of being doctored footage.
After coming under heavy criticism of committing a televised war crime the IDF have now conceded to look into it. As the reporter rightfully says that even if proven true, there is unlikely to be any repercussions for the soldiers who committed the war crime

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-01-30/senior-israeli-commander-indicates-idf-were-behind-gaza-white-flag-shooting

anotherlevel · 31/01/2024 13:04

hogmanayhoolie · 30/01/2024 12:51

The hit squad took out 3 known terrorists

Why do you have an issue with that. Do you think they shouldn't have?

It is against international law to target combatants who are not actively fighting, injured and seeking medical aid

BackandForthRoundandRound · 31/01/2024 13:02

Justpontificating · 31/01/2024 11:46

Agree, and we ve seen these lies to justify war crimes by Israel irrefutably proved independently by many organisations time and time again.
Why anyone believes them without evidence is beyond me

I think it says a lot for their mindset.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 31/01/2024 13:00

TrigTannet · 31/01/2024 11:29

@BackandForthRoundandRound How would you have preferred this to happen? We’re talking about know terrorists here! Should Israel have given them more opportunities to hide so that civilians could have died in the operation too? Then you would (understandably) be angry about the loss of innocent lives. Or should they be left to get on with planning their next move and accept that they’re going to kill more innocent Israelis?

I believe that one of the males murdered happened to have been in hospital for treatment. From what I've heard, he wasn't exactly going to be jumping out of bed and going anywhere.

He was assassinated. No ifs or buts. No excuse for what happened. Blatant disregard for it being in a hospital but then again, after what they have done to innocent civilians camped outside hospitals, I shouldn't be surprised.

Auvergne63 · 31/01/2024 12:30

The BBC used the term "assassinated" to report what took place. This is very revealing and I am glad they have used it. instead of "killed".

Justpontificating · 31/01/2024 11:46

BackandForthRoundandRound · 31/01/2024 07:14

That is clearly an allegation made in an attempt to try to justify executing these men in a hospital, of all places. Your post is not okay at all. Alleging that he had "a pistol" is an attempt to try to okay his execution. They went in there with one reason and one reason only and that was to murder these individuals. Hospitals are meant to be off-limits. I can guarantee that if this happened elsewhere there would be an enormous outrage immediately but no, as it happened here people attempt to justify this horrendous war crime.

Agree, and we ve seen these lies to justify war crimes by Israel irrefutably proved independently by many organisations time and time again.
Why anyone believes them without evidence is beyond me

Justpontificating · 31/01/2024 11:43

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If they are terrorists the correct procedure is to detain not kill.
The Israelis were not faced with people guns aloft about to shoot. They were faced with 3 patients in hospital.
It is a war crime

TrigTannet · 31/01/2024 11:29

@BackandForthRoundandRound How would you have preferred this to happen? We’re talking about know terrorists here! Should Israel have given them more opportunities to hide so that civilians could have died in the operation too? Then you would (understandably) be angry about the loss of innocent lives. Or should they be left to get on with planning their next move and accept that they’re going to kill more innocent Israelis?

BackandForthRoundandRound · 31/01/2024 07:16

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BackandForthRoundandRound · 31/01/2024 07:14

samG76 · 30/01/2024 16:33

I think one of them was a patient and the other two were visiting to plan something (which I don't think was a new flower arrangement for the entrance or a sponsored swim to raise money for the baby unit). At least one of them had a pistol. Quite difficult to arrest people in the circumstances - I suspect it would have led to far more violence and deaths. And I don't think that gunman roaming hospitals are a particularly unusual sight in Jenin.

That is clearly an allegation made in an attempt to try to justify executing these men in a hospital, of all places. Your post is not okay at all. Alleging that he had "a pistol" is an attempt to try to okay his execution. They went in there with one reason and one reason only and that was to murder these individuals. Hospitals are meant to be off-limits. I can guarantee that if this happened elsewhere there would be an enormous outrage immediately but no, as it happened here people attempt to justify this horrendous war crime.

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