Aid workers accused of taking part on 7/10 attack on Israel - appalling !

Good. That’s what it should happen. That doesn’t mean it’s true. Ch4 and sky news have seen the reports provided by idf accusing urnwa members. So far they’ve not found any involvement. Sometimes you need independent people looking into accusations/reports as well.

To quote you

“Newspaper reports aren't 'evidence'. I asked for 'evidence'.”

The dossier referred to in the article are accusations. That’s not evidence.

Sky news was show a report by Israel and concluded the same thing “the report provided by idf doesn’t directly link with any urnwa worker”

@Lanabigbanana In another thread you're demanding actual evidence before believing something and here you are defending the allegations made by Israel against the UNWRA without evidence. You can't pick and choose.

@inkworks273 I don't find it shocking that there wasn't any evidence found. I'm more shocked that Israel didn't try to fabricate evidence if anything.

I hope the countries that cut funding go back to funding the UNWRA before it's too late.

x.com/ecomarxi/status/1754629958645801166?s=46

"After reviewing Israel’s official evidence regarding claims UNRWA staff were involved in the 7/10 attack, Channel 4 have concluded that “Israel provides NO evidence to support this claim”"

Well ... nothing a quick test will not answer ...

EDIT / UPDATE: namechanged - still being defaulted back to the username that I have posted on the thread under before. If I try and open a new thread or post on one I have not engaged with, the change works!

@Lanabigbanana you can

Actually you can have one account and have multiple usernames.

news.sky.com/story/israeli-intelligence-report-claims-four-unrwa-staff-in-gaza-involved-in-hamas-kidnappings-13059967

Here is a link to a Sky News report where they have been shown the evidence by Israel for its claim that 4 UNRWA staff in Gaza were working with Hamas.

“The Israeli intelligence documents make several claims that Sky News has not seen proof of and many of the claims, even if true, do not directly implicate UNRWA.”

I’m not suggesting multiple usernames are being used on the same thread. Just that the NC of some posters across different threads is obvious from the content and style of posting.

Yes, the British were being shot at by both sides, however the overall barbarity, size of attack and level of deaths and injuries inflicted were overwhelmingly inflicted by the Jewish terrorist organisations.

From killing British soldiers at point blank range whilst they slept in tents in a car park in Tel Aviv
https://www.rarenewspapers.com/view/700065
to kidnapping, hanging, then booby trapping the bodies of 2 British soldiers (so that they exploded when cut down) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sergeants_affair

This documentary gives a good summary of everything that happened, with testimony from some insurgents and British officers.

"I think it's inaccurate to pretend there is the same level hostility from Israel to the Palestinian people"

There have been countless Israelis calling for death to the Palestinian people, wanting them "eradicated" countless amounts of things along these lines. They have not been shy about voicing their true feelings towards Palestinians.

For you to actually try to pretend that is not the case is unbelievable, it really is.

@TrigTannet
Please can I ask your thoughts on Netanyahu encouraging the development of Hamas

« Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset. Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015.
According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state. »

I understand this article was written in anger given the date- but completely appropriate anger not just towards Hamas?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/amp/

@ProfessorPipsqueak
Yet Palestinians are expected to give up theirs. Every day a bit more is taken as settlers steal their homes. Everyday, drip, drip, drip. They aren't allowed to fight back, they aren't allowed to defend their homes, they aren't allowed to use fear as an excuse for bad behaviour. They are expected to sit back and watch as Israel steal their land bit by bit. Sit back as their husbands and sons are stolen in the dead of night and tortured by the IDF. Sit back as their children are killed. Sit back as their children are abused on the way to school every morning by settlers under the protection of the IDF. Drip, drip, drip. There is no right for Palestinians to defend themselves. No outcry when their children are stolen. No outcry when their people are murdered. Israel isn't expected to give up anything, Israel is supported as they take homes and take lives.

Your comment is beautifully written and clearly heartfelt.
I said that Hamas (according to their own charters and spokesmen) will only be happy when Israel is entirely gone and there are no Jews left in the world. I think it’s inaccurate to pretend there is the same level of hostility from Israel to the Palestinian people, although I don’t doubt there is to Hamas. Israel has agreed to a 2 state solution several times over the last 75 years. It’s disingenuous to pretend that Israelis want to wipe out Palestine as Hamas wants to wipe out Israelis and all other Jews. If that’s what they wanted to do, they could already have done it. We’re comparing a western, liberal, democratic state with a terrorist organisation, they’re clearly not morally equal!
There are no settlements in Gaza and there has been no Israeli presence in Gaza for 20 years, so I presume you’re talking about the West Bank. Perhaps you’ve noticed what withdrawing from Gaza achieved (the empowerment of a terrorist organisation who organised the biggest pogrom since the Holocaust). Here safely from the UK, I can easily say that settlements are wrong and should be dismantled. But I think if I lived in Israel I wouldn’t want to withdraw the IDF from the West Bank now, because then Israel would have the risk of October 7th type attacks from 2 sides.
The whole situation is obviously a tragedy, and far too many innocent people have suffered far too much. But you can’t pin your hopes for peace on Israel behaving irrationally and endangering the lives of its citizens on a crazy gambol that it might work out. It’s a democracy and of course no one would ever vote for a government who proposed risking the massive chance of increase in terrorist violence aspiring to genocide (i.e. exactly what happened last time they withdrew from Palestinian territory) in the tiny hope that the other side might have been lying when they said they wanted to kill all of the Jews. Idealism isn’t going to fix this and pragmatism doesn’t work if you’re relying on one side shooting itself in the foot.

Very well said.