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Aid workers accused of taking part on 7/10 attack on Israel - appalling !

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Lanabigbanana · 27/01/2024 18:02

https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/serious-allegations-against-unrwa-staff-gaza-strip

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-palestinian-refugee-agency-investigates-staff-suspected-role-israel-attacks-2024-01-26/

From the Guardian 5 hours ago;

"UK suspends UNRWA support after Israeli allegations The UK has temporarily paused future funding of UNRWA, saying it is “appalled by allegations that UNRWA staff were involved in the 7 October attack against Israel”.
A statement sent to the Guardian by the UK’s foreign, commonwealth and development office said:
'The UK is appalled by allegations that UNRWA staff were involved in the 7 October attack against Israel, a heinous act of terrorism that the UK government has repeatedly condemned.

The UK is temporarily pausing any future funding of UNRWA whilst we review these concerning allegations.'

We remain committed to getting humanitarian aid to the people in Gaza who desperately need it."

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Lanabigbanana · 28/01/2024 00:02

cupcakesarelife · 27/01/2024 23:55

I don't read the daily main and apnews, thanks! you do know who they're owned by, don't you?

Daily Mail - 5th Viscount Rothermere

APN news - a group of Journalists headed by Suresh Kumar a British Indian (born in UK)

Why is this a problem to you?

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cupcakesarelife · 27/01/2024 23:55

I don't read the daily main and apnews, thanks! you do know who they're owned by, don't you?

Lanabigbanana · 27/01/2024 23:54

cupcakesarelife · 27/01/2024 22:11

I think everyone in the world knows now how the Israeli propaganda machine has been working for the past 75+ years. And the UK is complicit in (another) genocide along with USA and Israel. I am so proud of South Africa and utterly ashamed to be British. Free Palestine!

You do realise that South Africa is in bed with Hamas, don't you?

https://apnews.com/article/hamas-mandela-south-africa-b2c0a01aea33469e05e9910d535a48c7

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12960795/South-African-leaders-cosy-meetings-Hamas-deadly-October-7-terrorist-attack-accusing-Israel-genocide.html

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StarbucksSmarterSister · 27/01/2024 23:07

Well allegedly he is quite cosy with them so he might do.

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 27/01/2024 23:02

SomeCatFromJapan · 27/01/2024 22:52

@StarbucksSmarterSister the tone of that!

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Agree

Also do we have a source?
No News channels seem to be covering it.
Does Sulaiman Ahmed have exclusive rights?

revsersalenergy · 27/01/2024 23:01

StarbucksSmarterSister · 27/01/2024 22:47

A statement from Hamas. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

https://twitter.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1751237712047223216?t=SEzv1xGrie5L4M1DS9qAYg&s=19

Their right to protection and to resist the occupation by all available means.

That sent a shudder down my spine.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 27/01/2024 23:01

SomeCatFromJapan · 27/01/2024 22:52

@StarbucksSmarterSister the tone of that!

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It's unbelievable isn't it?

SomeCatFromJapan · 27/01/2024 22:52

@StarbucksSmarterSister the tone of that!

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 27/01/2024 22:50

90% of Gaza is at crisis point with food supplies.
17% are at catastrophe level, very close to the 20% required for a famine.
The malnutrition and deaths follow quickly. Although as WHO has pointed out disease pops up in the gap between the two.
1.9 million out of 2.2 million people are displaced.

I hope that all these Governments defunding have an amazing plan B that they can roll into action of Monday.

RafaistheKingofClay · 27/01/2024 22:32

caringcarer · 27/01/2024 22:05

It is sickening to think anyone could praise a massacre. If they've done this on SM that just shows how strongly they must have endorsed the sickening action. Then to find others played a more active part is just horrendous. I can understand why Israel was so hesitant to let these aid workers take aid in now.

Israeli government and parts of the IDF have been praising massacres all over the place. (Yes I know they have the right to defend themselves but what is being done in Gaza often struggles to fit into any reasonable definition of defending yourself.)

Given the issues in Gaza before Oct 7th and the size of UNWRA it isn’t particularly surprising that a very small number of their staff may have links to Hamas or have been involved and isn’t necessarily indicative of widespread corruption. I would be surprised if governments around the world weren’t already aware of the possibility and were happy to fund aid up until this point.

Removing funding that will likely result in thousands of deaths because of 12 workers that have been suspended while continuing to fund bombs that will result in huge civilian casualties and reminding Israel to be a bit more careful with them does seem like a slightly one sided strategy on the face of it.

ProfessorPipsqueak · 27/01/2024 22:31

I'm so glad Ireland are not suspending their UNRWA funding.

"Ireland has no plans to suspend funding for UNRWA's vital Gaza work," Mr Martin said.

"UNRWA’s 13,000 employees provide life saving assistance to 2.3m people and at incredible personal cost - with over 100 staff killed in last four months".

Mr Martin added that Ireland provided the agency with €18m in 2023 and "will continue our support in 2024".

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/0127/1428939-ireland-unrwa/

HeidiInTheBigCity · 27/01/2024 22:19

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 27/01/2024 22:11

But Heidi, they might misuse the food.

You are perfectly right, of course! And I fully retract all of my previous statements! Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!!!

I just really had not considered the possibility that the food might go to pregnant women who might - at this very moment - be gestating the future Hamas!

Obviously, those people need to be starved! It is a moral imperative, so to speak! </sarcasm>

PeasfullPerson · 27/01/2024 22:16

caringcarer · 27/01/2024 22:14

Do you mean the hospitals and educational institutions that are just a front to the gruesome tunnels underneath that hide the terrorist Hamas? Tunnels were found under a child nursery and a hospital.

So, you are focusing your questions on infrastructure because you also agree that the loss of life in Gaza is unjust and unbearable? Is that correct?

caringcarer · 27/01/2024 22:14

PeasfullPerson · 27/01/2024 22:08

  • More than half of Gaza’s homes - 360,000 residential units have been destroyed or damaged
  • 378 educational facilities
  • 16 out of 35 hospitals are partially functioning
  • 122 ambulances
  • 221 places of worship

Do you mean the hospitals and educational institutions that are just a front to the gruesome tunnels underneath that hide the terrorist Hamas? Tunnels were found under a child nursery and a hospital.

stormy4319trevor · 27/01/2024 22:13

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 27/01/2024 22:05

OK so the western world defunds UNWRA while they investigate those 12 suspended employees.

Israel has been bound to take immediate and effective measures to enable the provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance to address the adverse conditions of life faced by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

This could be tricky.

Won't Israel report to ICJ that they could not enable aid because of funding being removed? It will be out of their hands, I assume, if UNWRA has insufficient funds to continue.

PeasfullPerson · 27/01/2024 22:12

The propaganda machine is in overdrive, to compensate for the ICJ ruling.

cupcakesarelife · 27/01/2024 22:11

I think everyone in the world knows now how the Israeli propaganda machine has been working for the past 75+ years. And the UK is complicit in (another) genocide along with USA and Israel. I am so proud of South Africa and utterly ashamed to be British. Free Palestine!

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 27/01/2024 22:11

But Heidi, they might misuse the food.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 27/01/2024 22:09

Tuile · 27/01/2024 21:54

So we should give aid to UNRWA even though there is a risk it will be misused, but we shouldn’t give aid/weapons to Israel as there’s a risk they’ll be misused?

I shall disregard the supposed trap and willingly walk right into it ...

Actually, YES! Because ...

UNRWA, while it has a gazillion problems (again, not typically the ones Israel complains about), has 30k employees, 13k around thereof in Gaza and - out of all of these - 12 have been accused (again: by Israel, based on "interrogation", which, in Israel, often means "torture"). And they have been suspended! UNRWA is instrumental to delivering humanitarian aid in Gaza right now!

Meanwhile, the government of Israel is a far-right cabal, several of whose members have had their potentially relevant as "incitement to genocide" statements specifically called out. They - specifically Gallant - have explicitly stated their aim to starve out and thirst out Gaza. And tried to do so - had not their allies been a tad worried about the optics and forced them to downgrade from "no food, no water" to "too little food, too little water, for people to survive on". They have not been sanctioned. They wield an army of <1 million of active and reserve soldiers, and they are using it to flatten Gaza and make it uninhabitable.

Yes, we fucking should de-fund and sanction the genocidal apartheid regime! And we absolutely should at the very, very least be continuing to fund emergency aid to Gaza. Which, at present is UNRWA.

PeasfullPerson · 27/01/2024 22:08
  • More than half of Gaza’s homes - 360,000 residential units have been destroyed or damaged
  • 378 educational facilities
  • 16 out of 35 hospitals are partially functioning
  • 122 ambulances
  • 221 places of worship
PeasfullPerson · 27/01/2024 22:07

No, the Israeli government has already misused weapons.

  • Killed: at least 26,083 people, including more than:
  • 10,000 children
  • 7,000 women
  • Injured: more than 64,487, including at least:
  • 8,663 children
  • 6,327 women
  • Missing: more than 8,000
caringcarer · 27/01/2024 22:05

StarbucksSmarterSister · 27/01/2024 19:03

3,000 UNRWA teachers have also been accused of praising the October 7 massacre on social media. UN Watch published names and numbers of the participants so UN officials then said they would investigate.

That was, I think, a few days before it became apparent that some staff might have actually taken part.

It is sickening to think anyone could praise a massacre. If they've done this on SM that just shows how strongly they must have endorsed the sickening action. Then to find others played a more active part is just horrendous. I can understand why Israel was so hesitant to let these aid workers take aid in now.

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 27/01/2024 22:05

OK so the western world defunds UNWRA while they investigate those 12 suspended employees.

Israel has been bound to take immediate and effective measures to enable the provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance to address the adverse conditions of life faced by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

This could be tricky.

Tuile · 27/01/2024 21:54

HeidiInTheBigCity · 27/01/2024 21:44

Neither, actually!

I am saying that ...

  1. Your premise is false - and nobody has even claimed that. Not even Israel. Who has had it in for UNRWA for literal years. The actual accusation is that, as per Israel (from what I understand: specifically Shin Bet "confessions"*), some 12 members of staff have been accused - and they have been suspended!
  2. I am also saying that - for all the criticism I would personally level at UNRWA (not the same stuff that the occupation tends to complain about, mind!) - UNRWA is instrumental in delivering and distributing humanitarian aid to Gazans these days. De-funding them at this exact moment is tantamount to "re-inforcing the starvation of Palestinians in Gaza". Which is, at the very minimum, a war crime, and possibly "part and parcel" of genocidal actions. I very much expect my government not to be complicit in this - never mind actively support it!
  3. Yes, Israel should be defunded. We should not be giving aid and shipping weapons to a state that uses our goods to massacre civilians and re-inforce Apartheid in the West Bank. Absolutely not.
  4. In fact, Israel should be santioned! (And, before you say "but Hamas ..." - they ARE!)
  • Asterisk on the grounds of: it is widely known that Israel tortures confessions out of detainees,
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So we should give aid to UNRWA even though there is a risk it will be misused, but we shouldn’t give aid/weapons to Israel as there’s a risk they’ll be misused?