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Aid workers accused of taking part on 7/10 attack on Israel - appalling !

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Lanabigbanana · 27/01/2024 18:02

https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/serious-allegations-against-unrwa-staff-gaza-strip

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-palestinian-refugee-agency-investigates-staff-suspected-role-israel-attacks-2024-01-26/

From the Guardian 5 hours ago;

"UK suspends UNRWA support after Israeli allegations The UK has temporarily paused future funding of UNRWA, saying it is “appalled by allegations that UNRWA staff were involved in the 7 October attack against Israel”.
A statement sent to the Guardian by the UK’s foreign, commonwealth and development office said:
'The UK is appalled by allegations that UNRWA staff were involved in the 7 October attack against Israel, a heinous act of terrorism that the UK government has repeatedly condemned.

The UK is temporarily pausing any future funding of UNRWA whilst we review these concerning allegations.'

We remain committed to getting humanitarian aid to the people in Gaza who desperately need it."

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Lanabigbanana · 28/01/2024 13:37

Polka83 · 28/01/2024 13:35

Do you they have the staff on the ground willing and able to coordinate aid in Gaza- may end up hiring the staff UNRWA hires? After all- who else is going to risk death than those already there.

I can't answer your question.

Maybe e-mail them and ask?

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Polka83 · 28/01/2024 13:37

Lanabigbanana · 28/01/2024 13:33

@Polka83 Are you suggesting that South African citizens are in cahoots with Hamas?

I didn't say that. The government certainly is. I have no idea what the citizens of SA think.

Please be careful with your language- if you referred to Israel instead of the Israeli government when criticising the latter - you would be being antisemitic.

Polka83 · 28/01/2024 13:35

Lanabigbanana · 28/01/2024 13:31

Here is another organisation that needs funds;

https://www.friendsoftheholyland.org.uk/

I understand that they have already given £200000, half of that into Gaza. They have added 15 new families to their Family Support Programme and are making sure they are directly supported.

Do you they have the staff on the ground willing and able to coordinate aid in Gaza- may end up hiring the staff UNRWA hires? After all- who else is going to risk death than those already there.

Lanabigbanana · 28/01/2024 13:33

@Polka83 Are you suggesting that South African citizens are in cahoots with Hamas?

I didn't say that. The government certainly is. I have no idea what the citizens of SA think.

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Polka83 · 28/01/2024 13:31

The timing of the release of information is so convenient for Israeli Government - one might think they planned this knowing what the outcome would be- to say that they have to let in Humanitarian aid. How can we hamper this and deflect attention from the criticism against us?

The fact that governments are towing in line with this is so disappointing. Give the UN time to investigate or change aid so food / medicines are provided to UNRWA.

Are they going to send in troops to distribute aid then?

Lanabigbanana · 28/01/2024 13:31

Here is another organisation that needs funds;

https://www.friendsoftheholyland.org.uk/

I understand that they have already given £200000, half of that into Gaza. They have added 15 new families to their Family Support Programme and are making sure they are directly supported.

Friends of the Holy Land

Charity

https://www.friendsoftheholyland.org.uk

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Polka83 · 28/01/2024 13:26

Luckily for us the ICJ is not in bed with Hamas and yet agree with SA that Israeli government has a case to answer - note I did the correct thing of stating Israeli government.

Are you suggesting that South African citizens are in cahoots with Hamas.

I am sick to death of the double standards.

Efacsen · 28/01/2024 11:02

Tuile · 28/01/2024 10:44

Is there anything UNWRA could do that would justify suspending their funding? @HeidiInTheBigCity

What do you think are the likely consequences of lack of funding?

Tuile · 28/01/2024 10:44

Is there anything UNWRA could do that would justify suspending their funding? @HeidiInTheBigCity

Efacsen · 28/01/2024 07:58

UNWRA are in an unenviable position wrt Hamas in as much they need to co-operate with Hamas in it's role as the government of Gaza whilst not colluding with Hamas the terrorist group and the overlap between the two 'sides' of Hamas

I can't imagine that Hamas are easy to work with [understatement]

It would be interesting to know for example how much Hamas interfered in vetting employees and how that compromised UNWRA

UNWRA have been critical of Hamas in the past abdicating governing and instead foisting the responsiblities onto them and other NGOs presumably because it's not something they are really interested in

As usual the real problem comes back to Hamas

Efacsen · 28/01/2024 07:24

1dayatatime · 28/01/2024 01:01

The countries that have now suspended funding UNRWA are Australia, Canada, Finland, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland, the UK and the US.

Switzerland shouldn't be on this list - they will be making a decision on suspending aid once the outcome of the investigations is available

This would seem to be a reasonable position to take and wonder why the other countries are acting before all the information is available

It's also true to say that some of these countries have stated that the suspension of aid is 'temporary' presumably like Switzerlands position

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inkworks273 · 28/01/2024 07:14

Apparently the BBC news led with an 8 minute long segment on these unproven unrwa allegations. That's far greater than any coverage they've given to the ICJ ruling that Israel is plausibly committing genocide! I don't know why I pay my tv licence for these fuckers to cherry pick what news they give me. It's blatant and it's disgraceful.

Sourisblanche · 28/01/2024 06:14

inkworks273 · 27/01/2024 19:28

In light of the UK governments shameful decision to suspend funding to unrwa here is a link if anyone would like to donate.

donate.unrwa.org/-landing-page/en_EN

Thank you for the link. I will donate today.

Desertrose2023 · 28/01/2024 05:38

Hard to believe that when the ICJ orders the protection of humanitarian assistance countries withdraw funding from the main international aid agency which millions are relying on to stave of the forced starvation and homelessness imposed on them by Israel. Just when you think western “morality” can’t sink any lower in its depravity.

Sharing a donation link for those wishing to contribute to the vital work this agency does.

https://donate.unrwa.org/gaza/~my-donation

BackandForthRoundandRound · 28/01/2024 01:58

Yes, let's starve innocent children, women and men. That is what some clearly want. I mean, how dare they need food, medicine and other vital items in order to survive.

Interesting timing that this story had for release... almost as though it was hoping to distract from something. Could it be the court not dismissing South Africa? No, course it wouldn't be......

AhaHa · 28/01/2024 01:32

I wish more people thought like you.
instead you get this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68103641

People literally seem to be salivating at the idea of obliterating innocent civilians - to the point of blocking aid trucks!

Families of hostages and supporters walking toward the Israel-Egypt border in Kerem Shalom on Thursday.

Kerem Shalom crossing: Israeli protesters hold up aid trucks to Gaza

Israeli protesters stop a convoy of humanitarian aid trucks entering Gaza for third consecutive day.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68103641

1dayatatime · 28/01/2024 01:01

The countries that have now suspended funding UNRWA are Australia, Canada, Finland, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland, the UK and the US.

SammyScrounge · 28/01/2024 00:57

catagoryA · 27/01/2024 18:04

It is a massive aide agency. Some of their staff are terrorist supporters. A small number, out of the many thousands of staff. They themselves are committed to investigating and expelling anyone who was involved - they can't do much more than that, can they

I'd like to see.civilian staff brave enough to take on Hamas terrorists.
No wonder the people of Gaza are starving. Hamas have helped themselves.

1dayatatime · 28/01/2024 00:49

@cupcakesarelife

I kind of feel a bit sorry for you and thought I could help you with ways to deliver structured fact based counter arguments rather than playground insults. So here goes:

@Lanabigbanana wrote:

"You do realise that South Africa is in bed with Hamas, don't you"
And then provided some links.

Now rather than going all conspiracy theory with "you do know who they're owned by, don't you?"

I would have recommended an approach that went something along the lines of acknowledging ANC's long held sympathy and ties with the Palestinian cause which were parallel at the time by the close relationship and military ties between the South African apartheid Government and Israel. Then it always helps to add in a few factual links from reputable known sources - Wikipedia for example is great for this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93SouthAfricaa_relations#:~:text=During%20the%201950s%20and%201960s,countries%20in%20the%20Arab%20world.

Can you see how with a little effort this looks so much better than simply calling someone a "propaganda bot"?

Just trying to help.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 28/01/2024 00:37

We seem to have a bit of a situation re. who owns the DM? Rothermere? Rotherhithe?

(For the record: Rothermere would be the correct answer in terms of "majority ownership" and also chairmanship. He is also the 4th Viscount thereof - not the 5th! And also, Harold Harmsworth, the first Lord Rothermere, was the owner of the DM during its "we love the Nazis" episode ... so ... whatever anyone is insinuating: no, this is not some sort of a Jewish conspiracy - and whoever says so is actually, genuinely being antisemitic!)

That said, the DM is still a vile, right-wing rag and - out of principle - I refuse to click on any linkt to it!

1dayatatime · 28/01/2024 00:35

@cupcakesarelife

Please you really need to try harder in a counter argument than to just dismiss the other opinion as a "propaganda bot".

In addition MN will most likely delete your post for accusing someone of being a "bot".

SomeCatFromJapan · 28/01/2024 00:29

Go away Israeli propaganda bot

How is a factual post on newspaper ownership Israeli propaganda?

StarbucksSmarterSister · 28/01/2024 00:25

cupcakesarelife · 27/01/2024 23:55

I don't read the daily main and apnews, thanks! you do know who they're owned by, don't you?

What are you insinuating?

Lord Rotherhithe owns the Mail and his family have done so for 3 generations.

Lanabigbanana · 28/01/2024 00:07

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You're calling me a "bot" for telling the truth?

Oh dear.

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