Eliminate Hamas……At any the cost ?

So if they were in Israel you would bomb Israel to try and hit them? You see this is what the rest of the world cannot understand or condone. HOW is it ok to kill thousands of Palestinians in the hopes of hitting one monster?

Hamas is Israel's enemy. If other countries are supporting Hamas (as most of Gaza is) then they are Israel's enemy too and if these countries attack Israel with a massacre the likes of October 7th then yes they can expect to be bombed.

Hamas will be "gone" when they are defeated enough that it'll make it very difficult for them to rearm. That means demilitarising them, and ensuring that their tunnels and terror infrastructure are totally destroyed.

That’s interesting @niceandnew

If Hamas were hidden in other countries or within Israel would you support bombing there too?

How are you going to know Hamas is “gone”?

I don't support Israel stopping the bombing.
Israel should keep going. Hard and targeted, protecting civilians as is reasonable in warfare. Until the hostages have been returned and Hamas are gone.

So again, how would you support Israel to stop the bombing?

And they want the UN to do it too! 🙈🤣

So assuming none of us want the Israelis to continue bombing, how do you see this resolving? I genuinely can’t see how it can be done without outside support. (Which is where this line of conversation started.).

Why do you want to keep bombing Gaza?

You're still trying to shift the goalposts now it's been made clear to you what the UN does and doesn't do.

You came up with an entirely fantasy based scenario and think it's valid. Except it's not.

What you want to happen isn't going to happen and I don't intend on wasting further time on fantasy scenarios devoid of reality.

If you want to see what I envisage happening in the future post-conflict era, I suggest you have a look and perhaps you'll find at least one of my posts. BTW, it's not based on fantasy. 🙈

You didn’t answer my question @DownNative . Who do you think should stop governments waging war on civilian populations? I understand there are some people who think bombing the Palestinian people trapped in Gaza is a good idea but there are far more who don’t. Who should speak, act and defend those people?

No. You made the claim regarding the UN taking over Israel, including by force if necessary, so you should either defend your argument or abandon it.

I suggest abandoning it. The UN's military personnel is not really equipped as a militarily offensive force. It doesn't have its own standing army and does nothing without authorisation from the UN Security Council. See which States have veto powers.

What you've been advocating is a non-starter. 🤷‍♂️

@DownNative so if you had to choose, who would you suggest if the killing continues?

The UN has largely had a peacekeeping role for a year or two - not a long term role of governing a territory.

UN Administered Kosovo was the longest from 1999 to 2008. The other one was East Timor for a couple of years.

But this is very different to the UN Disengagement Observer Force since 1974 in the Golan Heights or the UN Buffer Zone peacekeeping role in Cyprus.

By and large, the UN doesn't take a governing aka administrative role in any territory. Certainly haven't in sovereign States the size of Israel.

The UN absolutely will NOT prepare a force to take over Israel or any other State. Your "idea" of an interim UN administration in Israel will not happen. 🙈

Not proven yet.

To quote a pro Israeli on another thread:

"There’s none so blind as those that will not see."

Of what ?

You only have to open your eyes to see that they're guilty @Lanabigbanana

None proved at present.

Let's dissect your post:
When a country declares war on another country
Gaza is not a country, it is a territory.
The victim has no obligation to supply anything to the aggressor
I think you should familiarise yourself with the Geneva Convention ( Israel signed up to it and therefore must adhere to it). The treaty prohibits
1)starving the civilian population as a method of warfare. The Israeli government is exactly doing this to Gazans.
2)If civilians become displaced (because they flee or are evacuated from a besieged area), all possible measures must be taken to ensure that the people in question have adequate shelter, have access to sufficient food, hygiene facilities and health-care provision and are kept safe (including from sexual and gender-based violence), and that members of the same family are not separated.
No one is calling for the government of Ukraine to be up before the Hague are they?
Both are countries with armies, navies and air force. The Gazans have nothing.
If Ukraine commits war crimes then they must be up before the Hague, of course. No one should be above the law.
I'm not sure why Palestinians are settling in the area.
I am asking myself the same question about the Israelis.
The UN reaction to the conflict has been highly problematic from the start.
Problematic to whom, exactly? The Israeli government? I am very happy that they are and may long they continue to be.
Cameron should not be in a position to speak on the matter
Of course, he can because that's his job as the UK foreign secretary ( btw, I can't stand him).

Is that a genuine question? If so, you should read the findings of the IJC. This should answer your question.

This is a better example Lana - war on terror

@Auvergne63 You really need to compare like for like.

I had the same comment from Adam Ryan, and I'll respond as I did to him. ie if you can think of a similar situation with any other countries than please tell me about it so there can be a fair comparison.

I think the situation might be comparable to the Khymer Rouge in Cambodia in 1975/1979 - a terrorist organisation taking over a democratic one, but I could be wrong about that.

Secondly, Gaza is 365 km² and has no organized, well trained army and has no navy, air force or bombs. They have no means to defend them or escape the IDF's onslaught.
The IDF are not fighting Gazans. They are fighting a terrorist organisation (Hamas) that has secreted itself among the population. Hamas has weapons and the backing of Iran - which supports State Sponsored Terrorism.

Finally, the Nazi ideology and Hamas' ideology are not comparable, in my opinion.

And I would disagree.
Both Hamas(and it's backer Iran) and the Nazis have/had extremist ideologies driven by adherence to religious doctrine or domination by an ethnic group. Both consider/ed Jews to be an inferior race of people.

The Nazi regime carried out a campaign against male homosexuality and persecuted gay men between 1933 and 1945.
In Iran, same-sex sexual activities are punishable by imprisonment, corporal punishment, fines, or execution. The government of Iran is considered to be one of the most discriminatory towards homosexuals in the world.