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gestroopd · 24/01/2024 19:34

There are conscientious objectors every year. He's just getting more Western airtime/attention that the others have gotten, because of the situation. Usually they're sent back and forwards to prison (military) a number of times before being left alone. However, the process they pay is largely social - and at 18, that's particularly heavy. ALL your peers are joining up, socialise around it, talk about it, carry guns and pose around with them etc (I'm talking in more "normal" times). It's a rite of passage, a part of becoming adult in Israel. To opt out of military service is to opt out of an entire social scene. It's indeed very brave.

tenbob · 24/01/2024 19:33

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quantumbutterfly · 24/01/2024 19:30

Some people could start an argument if they were the only person in the room.

PeasfullPerson · 24/01/2024 19:24

MissyB1 · 24/01/2024 18:10

We don’t need to be in either to see who is being slaughtered day in day out.

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Some people seem to have a thing for binary questions, and black and white thinking! I suppose it helps them to rationalise the death, disablement, and starvation of other human beings.

Humdingerydoo · 24/01/2024 18:39

MissyB1 · 24/01/2024 17:28

Precisely, I only see one side committing genocide…..

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Do you? So what do you think Hamas were trying to do on October 7th, which they've said was only a rehearsal? And remember during the temporary ceasefire when they were asking their little terrorist friends on other fronts to attack Israel on their behalf? Such innocent fun!

quantumbutterfly · 24/01/2024 18:24

That'll be a no then.

MissyB1 · 24/01/2024 18:10

quantumbutterfly · 24/01/2024 18:07

Where are you looking at it from? Are you in Gaza or Israel?

We don’t need to be in either to see who is being slaughtered day in day out.

quantumbutterfly · 24/01/2024 18:07

Where are you looking at it from? Are you in Gaza or Israel?

MissyB1 · 24/01/2024 17:28

ssd · 23/01/2024 22:26

Actions speak louder than words @Flopsythebunny

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Precisely, I only see one side committing genocide…..

Wale90 · 23/01/2024 22:43

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ssd · 23/01/2024 22:26

Flopsythebunny · 23/01/2024 20:40

You need to go back to what hamas said when they first came into power. They made their aims very clear then

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Actions speak louder than words @Flopsythebunny

Flopsythebunny · 23/01/2024 20:40

inkworks273 · 23/01/2024 17:08

@Flopsythebunny And you don't think the Israeli government wants to wipe out the Palestinians? Israel has killed significantly more Palestinians than the other way about. And that's before this current genocide.

You need to go back to what hamas said when they first came into power. They made their aims very clear then

Itoosurvive · 23/01/2024 18:32

Amazing young man. He's obviously going to come in for a lot of criticism from all directions and he knows it, yet still he's prepared to stand by his principles. I've a great deal of respect for him.

Sumsummer · 23/01/2024 18:04

If they have a lot of reservists and people willing to fight, why are people who don't want to fight sentenced to prison? He is so young at 18 as well

PeasfullPerson · 23/01/2024 17:22

SharonEllis · 23/01/2024 13:43

This! I just don't understand how much clearer Hamas have to be. They have said again and again they will repeat October 7th. Their backers are Iran who state clearly, again and again that they wish to destroy Israel & all Jews. I deplore this war but the idea that Israel putting down arms would lead to peace is nuts - unless accompanied by some way of restraining Hamas, and Iran. I havent yet seen a single person shouting 'ceasefire now' explain how this will be achieved.

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I haven’t seen a single person yet define who Hamas are and how to quantify their ‘defeat’.

Finallyloggedin · 23/01/2024 17:17

@inkworks273 - you beat me to it, @Flopsythebunny so many zionists accuse Palestinians of wanting to kill all Israelis, while at the same time cheerleading the slaughter of thousands upon thousands of Palestinians and the displacement of millions. If we look at the facts it’s actually Israeli government who are actively trying to wipe Palestine off the map.

inkworks273 · 23/01/2024 17:08

@Flopsythebunny And you don't think the Israeli government wants to wipe out the Palestinians? Israel has killed significantly more Palestinians than the other way about. And that's before this current genocide.

Flopsythebunny · 23/01/2024 15:08

inkworks273 · 22/01/2024 18:20

@Neriah For there to be peace, the rest of the IDF and the Israeli government would have to share it too.

You Re living in cloud cuckoo land if that's what you think.
The whole aim of hamas is to wipe Israel off the face if the earth. It always has been.
If Israel lay down their arms, they will be wiped out in weeks

queenofarles · 23/01/2024 14:27

But Sharon
People are dying on both ends, today was like 20? 50? Isrealis, that’s a lot, all are reservists .

Yes Hamas said they will repeat attacking but i honestly don’t think that’s achievable , things definitely won’t go back to pre Oct 7.
there is the proposal that other Arab countries will oversee Gaza. Plus I think Isreal will take extra precautions , a lot of intel was ignored prior to Oct 7.
I hope there is peace , these people <on both sides> deserve to go back to living normal lives .

SharonEllis · 23/01/2024 13:43

0palfrootee · 22/01/2024 21:15

I have no idea. I don't think anyone does. The situation is extremely bad and dangerous, that is for sure.

But I can guarantee that Israel laying down its arms will not result in peace, as suggested by the poster I quoted above. Hamas have already said this, clearly and publicly.

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This! I just don't understand how much clearer Hamas have to be. They have said again and again they will repeat October 7th. Their backers are Iran who state clearly, again and again that they wish to destroy Israel & all Jews. I deplore this war but the idea that Israel putting down arms would lead to peace is nuts - unless accompanied by some way of restraining Hamas, and Iran. I havent yet seen a single person shouting 'ceasefire now' explain how this will be achieved.

quantumbutterfly · 23/01/2024 08:08

There are other types of national service I believe, medical for instance.
There are other ways to serve. Who was that man that hacksaw ridge was based on? He was a brave man.
In ww2 some men were conscripted to mines, prison seems an easy option compared to that.

anotherlevel · 22/01/2024 21:52

Well done him for being so brave and standing his ground.

0palfrootee · 22/01/2024 21:15

MissyB1 · 22/01/2024 21:05

So where do you see all this slaughter ending @0palfrootee

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I have no idea. I don't think anyone does. The situation is extremely bad and dangerous, that is for sure.

But I can guarantee that Israel laying down its arms will not result in peace, as suggested by the poster I quoted above. Hamas have already said this, clearly and publicly.

MissyB1 · 22/01/2024 21:05

0palfrootee · 22/01/2024 20:44

Really? Is that really what you think would happen if Israel laid down its arms? That it would achieve peace?

I'm afraid you're living on another planet if that's truly your opinion.

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So where do you see all this slaughter ending @0palfrootee

0palfrootee · 22/01/2024 20:44

inkworks273 · 22/01/2024 18:20

@Neriah For there to be peace, the rest of the IDF and the Israeli government would have to share it too.

Really? Is that really what you think would happen if Israel laid down its arms? That it would achieve peace?

I'm afraid you're living on another planet if that's truly your opinion.