Does IDF consider every man in Gaza to be Hamas?

I deplore the loss of life both in Israel on October 7th and in Gaza.
But let’s not be hypocritical.

2997 people died on 9/11.

And as a result this.

• Key Findings432,093 civilians have died violent deaths as a direct result of the U.S. post-9/11 wars.
• An estimated 3.6-3.8 million people have died indirectly in post-9/11 war zones, bringing the total death toll to at least 4.5-4.7 million and counting.
• More than 7.6 million children under five in post-9/11 war zones are suffering from acute malnutrition
• War deaths from malnutrition and a damaged health system and environment likely far outnumber deaths from combat.

The Americans dropped the first bomb because they had calculated that, if they had invaded the Japanese mainland in a conventional way, they would have suffered 1 millions casualties. They knew the Japanese would never surrender; they assumed using the atomic bomb would make them do that.
When they still refused to surrender, they dropped the second one. Japan then surrendered.
Regarding the bombings of cities by both allies and Nazi Germany, I will leave it to Emily Charles, IWM Curator:
“The theory behind strategic bombing was developed after the First World War by Generals like Billy Mitchell in the United States, Hugh Trenchard in Britain and Giulio Duhey in Italy. Military thinkers who had witnessed the stalemate of the First World War conceived strategic bombing as an alternative to the war of attrition on the Western Front.”
“At the start of the war, aerial bombing was seen by national leaders as unethical. The world had been horrified by the bombing of Guernica in 1937, where civilians were intentionally targeted by aerial bombardment. In 1939, RAF Bomber Command had 23 operational bomber squadrons with 280 aircRAFt. This modest force gave Britain the means to strike back at Nazi Germany but only against strictly military targets at first.”
When war broke out in 1939 US President Franklin Delano Roosevelt appealed to the leaders of belligerent nations to avoid the inhuman barbarism of launching aerial attacks against civilians. All participants including Adolf Hitler quickly agreed and was swiftly followed by Britain and France. The first Allied air attacks launched in 1939 were against strictly military targets, airfields German shipping and mine laying in the channel.
“But this attitude did not last for long. The invasion of France and the appointment of Winston Churchill as Prime Minister in 1940 prompted the British War Cabinet to sanction a campaign of strategic bombing against German industry. The first RAF bombing operation was launched against Mönchengladbach on the 11th of May 1940.
37 bombers attacked transport and industrial targets killing four people. Also in 1940, the German Luftwaffe began a sustained campaign of aerial bombing against British towns and cities. 300 German bombers raided London on the first night of the Blitz. Both sides claimed they were bombing in retaliation. In 1942, Arthur Harris was appointed the new Commander-in-chief of Bomber Command. German cities now became a primary target for area bombing from the Allies and Harris gained much public support when he sent a thousand bombers against Cologne.”

No war in history has ever killed over 30,000 in such a short space of time. Only depraved individuals could endorse this.

Not intending to derail, but this kind of inaccurate hyperbole presented as fact is really unhelpful. The death toll and suffering in Gaza is horrific enough, rewriting history and exaggeration is unnecessary and betrays an inherent bias in framing Israel and its people as the worst, most bloodthirsty, most murderous entity ever.

A few examples of mass executions (by shooting) in much shorter periods of time during WW2, the objective being the eradication of one specific group of people. All enthusiastically endorsed and participated in by local collaborators, police, soldiers and “special action groups” (often known as “mobile killing units”).

Babyn Yar- 33,771 murdered in 2 days, 29-30th September, 1941.

Kamenets-Podolsk - 23,600 murdered in 2 days, August 26-28th, 1941.

Operation Harvest Festival, Poland, approx 42,000 murdered in 2 days, November 3-4th, 1943.

As Hamas specialise in hiding in plain sight, it must be incredibly difficult to identify them, but I’m confused by this perspective:
Families have said their fathers, sons, brothers etc were rounded up and stripped down, treated like Hamas members and the video of this went viral, it turns out they were doctors, academics, journalists etc and held real jobs. Israel later admitted none of them were hamas and they made a mistake.
… I know there is one side here that cannot be trusted to tell the truth.

The IDF stated they’d made a mistake and confirmed these men were not Hamas but they’re liars who consider every Gazan man to be Hamas? Which is it?

"Israel uses sophisticated attack jets and naval vessels to bomb densely-crowded refugee camps, schools, apartment blocks, mosques, and slums to attack a population that has no air force, no air defence, no navy, no heavy weapons, no artillery units, no mechanized armour, no command in control, no army and calls it a war. It's not. It's murder." Chomsky.
According to you, anyone who is above 18 and males must be killed, just in case they are Hamas terrorists. I am speechless.

Doesn’t really work as an example does it? That was one man. In Gaza Hamas are multiple.

@ConnieCounter what do you think Israel should do?
Not what they shouldn’t do, but what should they do to eradicate Hamas to prevent their genocidal intent?
What would move this forward?

It’s difficult to know which are Hamas when they don’t wear a uniform.

After how many years of war and how many million deaths up till that point, and long since considered to be war crimes anyway?

Ask the Americans why they dropped bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, why the Germans bombed non-industrial areas of Coventry etc and we Cologne. Why Hamas killed partying teenagers, elderly and young adults.

Their objective is to get rid of Hamas. Obviously, no-one in Hamas is walking around wearing a T-shirt with Hamas Member written on it so to cover all bases, they will smash the place up and kill as many military aged men as they possibly can.

Thats what happens in war. Thats what war is.

The fact they shot and killed 3 of their own hostages proves they don't care who they kill

But this constant Israeli bombardment ( and shoot anything that moves policy) is endangering the hostages too; and the only hostages that have been saved so far were those released by Hamas when there was the ceasefire when and there was the exchange of hostages held by Hamas for the detainees and prisoners held by Israel.

They might be fudging the numbers, but Israel knows exactly what it’s doing in Gaza.

I listened to one of them on Radio 4 explaining why they were going for Hezbollah. His answer was that they were at the border with Israel, contrary to a UN resolution. Since when does the Israeli government takes any notice of the UN? Answer: when it suits them. You couldn't make it up.

Collective punishment is not allowed by international law. So you can’t carpet bomb a a whole country to kill a part of it
Plus Hamas obviously don’t give a toss about civilians if they are using them as shields. Blitzing Gaza won’t make them give in. Israel are probably trying to destroy infrastructure, make Gaza unusable as a base. Bad luck for the people who live/are locked in there.

Collective punishment is not allowed by international law. So you can’t carpet bomb a a whole country to kill a part of it
idf has proven in Lebanon that when they want they can target their operation and kill the people they want

Because Hamas are still firing missiles into Israel. And they are still holding hostages in captivity and God knows what Hamas is doing to them.

They aren’t trying to eradicate Hamas. They’re trying to eradicate Palestinians. We all know this. No point in trying to make sense of the cover story.

It’s like the way every fatality caused by the British army in Northern Ireland was in the IRA…pure bollocks.

What you say here makes sense I think.

@LexRider You are quite correct: Israel’s leadership come across as completely deranged. Nowhere on earth has ever “responded” to a terrorist attack by carpet bombing entire areas and taking out every man woman and child in sight. The IDF are clearly a bunch of cowards if they cannot carry out a targeted ground invasion that doesn’t kill so many civilians - when we were looking for bin laden we actually went into the caves and didn’t just bomb the crap out of them all

It seems so. They keep saying “Gaza voted for Hamas” as if Gaza is one person who had it coming. (But Germany voted for Hitler yet we don’t deny that there were German nationals who were victims of Hitler 🤔)

I think Israel’s leaders are not actually rational, it’s scary. I saw a news conference with one of them and he seemed completely insane.