Israel/Hamas War - Ceasefire

At the end of World War II Chiang Kai-shek was the President of China. He was poised to eliminate the Communists but the Americans insisted on a ceasefire. As a result Communists were able to get stronger and eventually take over China in a bloody civil war. From that time onward millions of Chinese lost their lives by famine and execution.

This is what MacArthur said about envoy Marshall
"When Marshall was sent to China with secret State Department orders, the Communists at that time were bottled up in two areas and were fighting a losing battle, but that because of those orders the situation was radically changed in favor of the Communists. Under those orders, as we know, Marshall embargoed all arms and ammunition to our allies in China. He forced the opening of the Nationalist-held Kalgan Mountain pass into Manchuria, to the end that the Chinese Communists gained access to the mountains of captured Japanese equipment. No need to tell the country about how Marshall tried to force Chiang Kai-shek to form a partnership government with the Communists."

I don't want a ceasefire, I want Hamas to surrender and give up the hostages. Just like when the Americans forced Japan to surrender, except without the destruction of cities by bombing and the starvation caused by destruction of merchant shipping. Then the deaths will cease.

Well ofcourse they should have not only thought about it but also not carried out such a horrendous attack.
It doesn't mean that everyone should just accept the subsequent horrific revenge attack that the Gazans as a whole have been subjected to.
If so, then why did a staggering 152 states vote for a ceasefire?

I assume everyone here is aware that there was a ceasefire that was broken by Hamas deciding to rape, mutilate and murder hundreds of civilians and kidnap over 200 others? Perhaps they could have thought about the likely outcome before they did that? Perhaps the Gazan civilians who worked on the Kibbutzim that were destroyed and gave intel to Hamas could have thought about the consequences too?

Well this is why a ceasefire would be good.

And for the 250 Palestinians a day who are being slaughtered.

There has been another terrorist attack today in Israel. I don't think Hamas are keen on stopping any time soon. Or any other Palestinian factions.

If you don't think it's very effective, then why are you not voicing your opinion on the Pro Israel March?

@Toggenburgsaregreat Do you think people aren't contacting their MPs already? That doesn't seem to be effective either.

What is it about marches that bothers you so much?

The UK Tory government sells the weapons to the Saudi government which they on the Yemeni people, similar to what is happening in Gaza. Corbyn for all his faults was always against this as were labour before Stammer. Typically those who are for a ceasefire in Gaza also want arms sales to Saudi to stop. There really is something evil about our government. Keep the protests up.

"A ceasefire isn't as easy as it sounds"? According to that article that's because Israelis don't want one. We already know that. That was my whole point.

I would think that at the moment the marchers are voicing their wish for the daily mass murder to stop. Not that I can speak for anyone else, but that what's apparent to me. Then perhaps talking can begin. At the end of the day there will be discussions. It's what happens when the fighting stops and it will stop. Our government is being made aware that their stance is not supported by the whole of the electorate. It's a democratic right.

The supporters of Palestine just want peace and for all the bombings and killings to stop. They want Palestine to be free to live without being imprisoned, controlled etc - to have their freedom back. Thats what these marches are about. They're not about supporting Hamas or hating on the Jewish faith or inciting hate.

Here's a link one of the marches for Ukraine, in case you need a refresher https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/mar/27/march-in-support-of-ukraine-in-london-everything-was-turning-blue-and-yellow

Perhaps they stopped because the UK welcomed them with open arms, Boris visited their President, and they have sent aid.

Perhaps we're still marching for Palestine because that hasn't happened

I suppose they want the same as what the other 153 states voted for at the UN. A ceasefire

OP I do think that civil war gets different responses than one country being obliterated by another. I don't make the rules.

Russia/Ukraine had and still has loads of attention, outrage, marches etc and the UK bloody opened their doors to Ukrainians, did you sleep through that? Or are Israelis just untouchable in your mind?

The Center For Security Studies has a pretty good 2022 article on the issue of ceasefires. Reasons are multifaceted including the following:

"Ceasefires are often used to achieve political or military objectives that are incompatible with a peaceful resolution of the conflict. “Parties to a conflict use these pauses for instance to rearm or consolidate territorial control over an area,” Clayton says."

Indeed, this is a well known tactic of terrorist groups such as Hamas, PIRA and many others.

It's very reasonable, valid and normal for there to be great scepticism when a terrorist group calls for one as part of its own PR propaganda.

Anyway, link here:

https://css.ethz.ch/en/center/CSS-news/2022/11/why-conflict-parties-cease-fighting.html

That wasn't the point of this thread though was it?

Yes, it's an opinion piece. It even states so. But it's not insubstantial.

Ceasefire demands can and do make conflicts last longer.