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Israel/Hamas War - Ceasefire

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Toggenburgsaregreat · 15/01/2024 10:01

Each Saturday we are seeing demonstrations in London where people are marching with placards and calling for a ceasefire in the Hamas/Israel war.

However, it is difficult to know how the supporters of Palestine think this can be achieved? (Interestingly, no calls for Hamas to cease hostilities and return the hostages were heard - so is this really a call for unilateral disarmament?)

And who should Israel negotiate a ceasefire with? Hamas, ISIS, ISSP, The Muslim Brotherhood - all of these groups/any of these groups?

What is it the supporters of Palestine actually want?

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Kriscross · 16/07/2024 19:39

ScrollingLeaves · 16/07/2024 07:48

Trump's vice-president pick JD Vance joked UK could be 'first Islamist country to have nuclear weapons' under Labour

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/jd-vance-uk-islamist-nuclear-weapons-labour/

Being an islamist country us not viewed positively due to so many problems in countries where Islam is the predomiment religion and extremists have a big say eg Iran, Afghanistan, Yeman, etc. Its sad but its true that some countries aren't great places for all people. People might not like it, but its true.

Parkingt111 · 15/07/2024 18:58

David Lammy was in Israel today where he was pushing for a ceasefire, an immediate release of hostages and expressed his frustration at the lack of British aid trucks that were being allowed in to Gaza by Israel.

www.bbc.com/news/articles/cye0459nkgwo

Kriscross · 14/07/2024 19:44

israelilefty · 14/07/2024 18:37

Full text of the May 27 Israeli ceasefire proposal has just been published in English here:

www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-of-israeli-hostage-release-ceasefire-proposal-submitted-on-may-27/

I so hope this can happen. Hostages home and withdrawal. 🙏

israelilefty · 14/07/2024 18:37

Full text of the May 27 Israeli ceasefire proposal has just been published in English here:

www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-of-israeli-hostage-release-ceasefire-proposal-submitted-on-may-27/

AhNowTed · 13/07/2024 22:07

Parkingt111 · 13/07/2024 21:18

This is exactly what Haaretz reported has been consistently going on and I created a thread about yesterday. The systematic foiling of any deal.

How Netanyahu systematically foiled the negotiations to free the hostages www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5117927-how-netanyahu-systematically-foiled-the-negotiations-to-free-the-hostages

EasterIssland · 13/07/2024 21:47

Also this is an interesting thing. Now that he’s the foreign minister he can answer his own question and do the right thing.

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headstone · 13/07/2024 21:45

I just want Britain to do the right thing and stop being complicit in this genocide. I’d be happy with neutrality like Ireland tbh. Of course it would be painful diplomatically and would require immense courage from our politicians.

Kindatired · 13/07/2024 21:31

According to Oxfam
”Does the UK sell arms to Israel? Yes.

UK arms sales to Israel since 2015 are to the value of at least £489mworth of military exports to Israel.
That includes parts for combat aircrafts, missiles, tanks, technology, small arms and ammunition.
Parts made across the UK have been sold to Israel, and are being used right now in the appalling attacks on Gaza.

Over 100 new licences allowing UK companies to sell arms to Israel were issued by the UK government between October 2023 and May 2024. By continuing to sell arms the UK is complicit in the killing of civilians in Gaza.”

But according to David Cameron , British exports comprise less than 1% of their total.

So it looks like British arm that are meant for self defence of Israel are being used to hammer Gaza in a frenzy of revenge killing to bolster Netanyahu’s last gasp political career.

Need to stop those arms exports. Israel is using them to ethnically cleanse Gaza in an un-winnable guerilla war .

EasterIssland · 13/07/2024 21:27

Parkingt111 · 13/07/2024 21:22

I think it's glaringly obvious at this stage that Netanyahu does not want a ceasefire.

Never has. Neither his aim has been to recover the hostages.

EasterIssland · 13/07/2024 21:26

Kriscross · 13/07/2024 20:56

Britain doesn't sell weapons to Israel. Its a myth. Oft repeated on here.

thats not what the government says

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-9964/CBP-9964.pdf#page2

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Parkingt111 · 13/07/2024 21:22

I think it's glaringly obvious at this stage that Netanyahu does not want a ceasefire.

EasterIssland · 13/07/2024 21:19

Parkingt111 · 13/07/2024 21:18

blaming Israel for lacking a genuine intent to reach an agreement

ill leave that there

Parkingt111 · 13/07/2024 21:19

CAIRO, Egypt — Gaza hostage-truce talks have been halted after three days of intense negotiations failed to produce a viable outcome, two Egyptian security sources say, blaming Israel for lacking a genuine intent to reach an agreement.

Parkingt111 · 13/07/2024 21:18

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/egyptian-officials-truce-hostage-talks-frozen-until-israel-shows-it-is-serious/

Reported that ceasefire talks have stopped for now

ConnieCounter · 13/07/2024 20:59

Hmm.

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Kriscross · 13/07/2024 20:56

headstone · 13/07/2024 20:39

Britain and other western governments bloody sell these weapons that Israel are using to obliterate all Gaza, the whole country should be protesting. It’s all down to racism as to why this is acceptable.

Britain doesn't sell weapons to Israel. Its a myth. Oft repeated on here.

MissyB1 · 13/07/2024 20:41

headstone · 13/07/2024 20:39

Britain and other western governments bloody sell these weapons that Israel are using to obliterate all Gaza, the whole country should be protesting. It’s all down to racism as to why this is acceptable.

I agree.

headstone · 13/07/2024 20:39

Britain and other western governments bloody sell these weapons that Israel are using to obliterate all Gaza, the whole country should be protesting. It’s all down to racism as to why this is acceptable.

Kriscross · 13/07/2024 20:29

Toggenburgsaregreat · 15/01/2024 13:16

@Fussandmisery "I may be wrong but I think the pro Israel camp would tolerate criticism of Israel’s leaders if they could be convinced there is no hostility to the Jewish population as a whole"

I would agree with you, but as anti-semitic attacks/incidents have soared since that attacks on 7th Oct, I don't think that will happen.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67085625

This. Which implies that people incorrectly blame British Jewish people!

It implies that Britain has authority over Netanyahu and his government, it doesn't.

Unless marches disown Hamas and terrorism as well as calling for hostage release and the end of Idf action in the west bank, ceasefire in Gaza then I'm not convinced they are truly after peace for all.

SavingTheBestTillLast · 13/07/2024 15:49

Dulra · 12/07/2024 18:38

If you read back over all the news articles since last October you will see most of your post has been proven as lies.
My posts have been proven as lies?

If you go back over all the MN threads as well you will see these have already been discussed
I'm sorry I've no idea what you're trying to say here

No!
That was for the poster before you! ie hedgeofressian

Dulra · 12/07/2024 18:48

EasterIssland · 12/07/2024 18:44

Think the poster that quoted you was trying to reply to the same person you were replying to (Hedgeoffressian)

Thanks that makes more sense

EasterIssland · 12/07/2024 18:44

Dulra · 12/07/2024 18:38

If you read back over all the news articles since last October you will see most of your post has been proven as lies.
My posts have been proven as lies?

If you go back over all the MN threads as well you will see these have already been discussed
I'm sorry I've no idea what you're trying to say here

Think the poster that quoted you was trying to reply to the same person you were replying to (Hedgeoffressian)

Dulra · 12/07/2024 18:38

SavingTheBestTillLast · 12/07/2024 18:11

If you read back over all the news articles since last October you will see most of your post has been proven as lies.
If you go back over all the MN threads as well you will see these have already been discussed

If you read back over all the news articles since last October you will see most of your post has been proven as lies.
My posts have been proven as lies?

If you go back over all the MN threads as well you will see these have already been discussed
I'm sorry I've no idea what you're trying to say here

SavingTheBestTillLast · 12/07/2024 18:11

Dulra · 12/07/2024 13:22

Where is the outrage for what happened on October 7th?

There was plenty of outrage expressed multiple times about what happened on October 7th.
Where is the outrage? If that is a genuine question maybe go through the multiple threads and thousands of posts since then to read it.
Do you want us to continue exclaiming our outrage and horror on a daily basis for eternity or can we get on with discussing the current issues as they arise?

If you read back over all the news articles since last October you will see most of your post has been proven as lies.
If you go back over all the MN threads as well you will see these have already been discussed

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