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Yemen, Yemen make us proud, turn another ship around!

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noblegiraffe · 14/01/2024 21:40

"Yemen, Yemen make us proud, turn another ship around!" was being chanted on the streets of London yesterday and last week.

I'm just interested in whether people think this is a reasonable thing to be chanting or not, because there were quite a few people chanting it. So a quick poll:

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Papyrophile · 22/01/2024 14:05

I'm sure you are absolutely on the money there @BorgQueen .

BorgQueen · 22/01/2024 12:50

Taiwan controls 90% of the World’s production of semi conductors, I imagine that China would rather like that control.

Papyrophile · 22/01/2024 09:01

China's Belt and Road initiatives have funded infrastructure all around the world that the Chinese think might be useful as they seek domination. It's not just Africa and Sri Lanka; much of the Caribbean has similar Chinese-built and funded infrastructure. All this will enable China to exact economic dues, like a perpetual PFI loanshark.

quantumbutterfly · 22/01/2024 00:48

My Sri Lankan friend is uneasy by how much infrastructure China own there and what they may require in return, I understand they are doing the same in many developing nations in Africa. It's a familiar playbook but without the liberal guilt.

As with all 'empires' there will be some benefits to the recipients and if benefits outweigh costs everyone is happy. It remains to be seen what the costs are.

Would it be in China's best interests to 'invade' Taiwan by force, what would they gain?

Anyway..apologies: back to the thread.

1dayatatime · 21/01/2024 23:18

@Trulywonderful

"Yes China is building up to an invasion. They have made that clear. It will probably happen in the next year because most the countries that potentially help Taiwan are getting spread fairly thinly regarding resources, weapons or military."

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I think after what we have seen with Iran and Russia in Crimea is that rather than open conflict these nations including China prefer in the grey zone of spreading discontent, funding adversaries to try and wear their opponents downs rather than the risk of outright war.

There are some really good podcasts by Sky news on this:

news.sky.com/story/amp/into-the-grey-zone-podcast-episode-one-the-gathering-storm-12184704

1dayatatime · 21/01/2024 23:12

@noblegiraffe

"I think people are happy to believe that Iran are stirring up trouble in the Middle East by funding various groups and regimes but are less willing to believe the same thing might be happening to us. "

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If Iran can spend multi millions funding Hamas, Houthis,Iraqi militants, Syrian militants, Hezbollah etc etc. Then I really don't think it's that much beyond the realms of possibility that they could bung a few hundred grand towards the useful idiots organising protests or speaking at protests in the West.

theconfidenceofwho · 21/01/2024 20:57

'The enemy of my enemy is my friend' springs to mind.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 21/01/2024 19:25

quantumbutterfly · 21/01/2024 17:06

So a fight between Islamists and Communists for domination. Do Syria and Iran realise who they're in bed with. First warplane is free and then you pay.

They are strange bedfellows, but their interests seem
to
align.

etmoiandme · 21/01/2024 19:25

@stomachameleon You say that like you've given it a lot of thought!😂

stomachameleon · 21/01/2024 19:23

I always imagine he has a wanger snuggled in between off ginger candy floss like pubes.

Is that too much information?

Papyrophile · 21/01/2024 19:06

Afraid so!

stomachameleon · 21/01/2024 18:35

@Papyrophile is that Trumps wanger you are referring too?

Papyrophile · 21/01/2024 18:16

I think the Chinese may wait to invade Taiwan until the US election. Hate the man as I do, he seemed able to wave his willy around with the other big swinging dicks. His unpredictability may be an advantage. (She says, with fingers and toes crossed.)

quantumbutterfly · 21/01/2024 17:06

So a fight between Islamists and Communists for domination. Do Syria and Iran realise who they're in bed with. First warplane is free and then you pay.

theconfidenceofwho · 21/01/2024 16:52

Completely agree @Trulywonderful

Trulywonderful · 21/01/2024 15:24

noblegiraffe · 21/01/2024 12:01

I don't think it's a conspiracy theory to say that there are anti-west groups actively working against us. That was clear from the manipulation of Brexit.

China is building up to war, and I think is often overlooked as a threat compared to Russia in the UK.

I think people are happy to believe that Iran are stirring up trouble in the Middle East by funding various groups and regimes but are less willing to believe the same thing might be happening to us.

I think we do need to be careful to emphasise that when we are talking about Islamists, we mean radical extremists rather than another word for Muslim, particularly given the now-deleted posts upthread.

Totally agree with you

Yes China is building up to a invasion. They have made that clear. It will probably happen in the next year because most the countries that potentially help Taiwan are getting spread fairly thinly regarding resources, weapons or military.

If people have not been watching the three big nasties that are the leaders of Russia, Iran and China very closely in the last couple of years they should be.

noblegiraffe · 21/01/2024 15:18

quantumbutterfly · 21/01/2024 13:37

Aw shucks I would have chosen an otter for UK, cute and playful critters that they are. Our poor old lion needs a few chip butties to fatten him up.
& Tbh that bear looks a bit podgy so probably ready for hibernation.😉

Yeah, well I'm not happy that a Giraffe is on the wrong side!

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noblegiraffe · 21/01/2024 15:17

Yes, @Papyrophile , I thought you did. I just think it is probably prudent to be really clear about these things when there are others posting that Muslims are trying to destroy our country in some Great Replacement. Don't want to get lumped in with them!

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Papyrophile · 21/01/2024 13:49

In my book, Islamist does refer to extremists, not to all Muslims. Just thought I should spell that out clearly.

quantumbutterfly · 21/01/2024 13:37

Aw shucks I would have chosen an otter for UK, cute and playful critters that they are. Our poor old lion needs a few chip butties to fatten him up.
& Tbh that bear looks a bit podgy so probably ready for hibernation.😉

stomachameleon · 21/01/2024 13:31

I believe
South Africa (giraffe)
India (elephant)
Brazil (jaguar)
China (dragon)
Arabs (camel)
Russia (bear)

And
Italy (wolf)
Japan (monkey)
France (rooster)
Uk (lion)
Israel (cockroach)
Canada (beetle)
USA (vulture)
Germany (cheetah)

MoneyMoneyMoneyy · 21/01/2024 13:30

quantumbutterfly · 21/01/2024 13:23

Is it supposed to be N.korea?

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

quantumbutterfly · 21/01/2024 13:24

Does Russia think the north Koreans are a load of bullocks? How rude.😁

quantumbutterfly · 21/01/2024 13:23

Is it supposed to be N.korea?

MoneyMoneyMoneyy · 21/01/2024 13:15

Vile

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