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Yemen, Yemen make us proud, turn another ship around!

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noblegiraffe · 14/01/2024 21:40

"Yemen, Yemen make us proud, turn another ship around!" was being chanted on the streets of London yesterday and last week.

I'm just interested in whether people think this is a reasonable thing to be chanting or not, because there were quite a few people chanting it. So a quick poll:

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queenofarles · 16/01/2024 10:46

Who do you think is responsible?
if you really don’t know the answer to this yourself , then you truly know nothing about the whole matter.

queenofarles · 16/01/2024 10:43

You’re asking why people care more when it is something that affects them? Well, duh, because it affects them.

it just shows fake moral and values ,
which can easily change depending on one’s interest.

you hate it , you find it appalling only when it doesn’t suit you , and yet you can’t take the time or effort to truly understand the root cause of all of this.

, Every conflict in the Middle East and Africa is an accumulation of decades long conflicts, western intervention and manipulations.

lettherebepeaceintheworld · 16/01/2024 10:37

queenofarles · 16/01/2024 09:45

The Houthis have managed to kill over 150,000 in their civil war and a further 270,000 plus in resultant hunger etc.
And who do you think is responsible ? Hint it’s not the houthis, there was a land sea and air embargo on Houthi controlled area by coalition forces , So little aid was allowed to enter.
it was nothing but a repeat of the Vietnam war.

Who do you think is responsible?

queenofarles · 16/01/2024 09:45

The Houthis have managed to kill over 150,000 in their civil war and a further 270,000 plus in resultant hunger etc.
And who do you think is responsible ? Hint it’s not the houthis, there was a land sea and air embargo on Houthi controlled area by coalition forces , So little aid was allowed to enter.
it was nothing but a repeat of the Vietnam war.

1dayatatime · 16/01/2024 09:00

@XRAYTHIS

"By disruption to boats they will stop their own people being fed.

The people chanting appear to ignore all that. WHY?"

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Two reasons really:

  1. a lack of understanding, education or ability to join up the dots.
  2. they genuinely don't care about ordinary Yemenis not getting aid, what they care about is an opportunity for self hate of Western values, whilst conveniently forgetting that it is those same Western values that allows them to freely express their opinions and to improve their standard of living.
hogmanayhoolie · 16/01/2024 08:58

queenofarles · 16/01/2024 07:54

Oh how hypocritical !

why is it when only it affects western countries people all of sudden care about the poor Yemeni people ?
why is everyone so outraged because cargo ships are turned around or are taking a longer route? While we all know none of this happened prior to the conflict, not even when a big coalition led by the US and UK and France were participating in bloody civil war.

Well surely people care because it affects them.

XRAYTHIS · 16/01/2024 08:57

1dayatatime · 16/01/2024 08:53

@headstone
@MissyB1

"Imagine a world where our politicians cared about civilians in the Middle East ( the non Israeli ones). Imagine instead of dropping bombs as the answer they asked for a ceasefire instead. This is what is going to happen, we use ‘targeted’ bombing it doesn’t work, so then we think fuck it and just turn Yemen into the new Gaza and the terrible cycle of western violence on Middle East civilians continues."

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So the whole Libyan civil war, Sudanese civil war, Somalian civil war, Syrian civil war could all been avoided by the Western Governments simply asking the waring parties for a ceasefire rather than getting involved? The real world doesn't work like that and this is either an extremely naive ill informed viewpoint or deliberate malintent blaming the West for ME problems?

Indeed.

Many on here are very naive. Ceasefire please...OK western nations whatever you say... problems of all the internal wars in various countries sorted.

1dayatatime · 16/01/2024 08:53

@headstone
@MissyB1

"Imagine a world where our politicians cared about civilians in the Middle East ( the non Israeli ones). Imagine instead of dropping bombs as the answer they asked for a ceasefire instead. This is what is going to happen, we use ‘targeted’ bombing it doesn’t work, so then we think fuck it and just turn Yemen into the new Gaza and the terrible cycle of western violence on Middle East civilians continues."

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So the whole Libyan civil war, Sudanese civil war, Somalian civil war, Syrian civil war could all been avoided by the Western Governments simply asking the waring parties for a ceasefire rather than getting involved? The real world doesn't work like that and this is either an extremely naive ill informed viewpoint or deliberate malintent blaming the West for ME problems?

XRAYTHIS · 16/01/2024 08:52

Imagine a world @headstone where the politicians and leaders in some middle Eastern countries cared more about their own people. Ceasefire now would be brilliant if hamas, the Houthis, hezbollah all followed it too.

XRAYTHIS · 16/01/2024 08:49

MissyB1 · 16/01/2024 08:20

This. Absolutely this.

We are not turning Yeman into the new gaza though are we!

The Houthis have managed to kill over 150,000 in their civil war and a further 270,000 plus in resultant hunger etc.

By disruption to boats they will stop their own people being fed.

The people chanting appear to ignore all that. WHY?

noblegiraffe · 16/01/2024 08:47

why is it when only it affects western countries people all of sudden care about the poor Yemeni people?

You’re asking why people care more when it is something that affects them? Well, duh, because it affects them.

I don’t think the people chanting support for the Houthis on the streets of London care about the poor Yemeni people though. If they did, they would definitely not be chanting support.

What seems to be happening there is “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”. A bit more scrutiny should reveal “the enemy of my enemy is also my enemy and also a terrible person”. Some people are determined to split this conflict into sides though, and anyone on their ‘side’ is de facto a goodie.

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Snowysnow · 16/01/2024 08:22

Unacceptable to chant on streets of UK. I sometimes get scared of the protests and the numbers that gather. Then I remember for every 1million on the streets, there's 60 something million sane people at home and I feel better.

MissyB1 · 16/01/2024 08:20

headstone · 15/01/2024 19:35

Imagine a world where our politicians cared about civilians in the Middle East ( the non Israeli ones). Imagine instead of dropping bombs as the answer they asked for a ceasefire instead. This is what is going to happen, we use ‘targeted’ bombing it doesn’t work, so then we think fuck it and just turn Yemen into the new Gaza and the terrible cycle of western violence on Middle East civilians continues.

This. Absolutely this.

XRAYTHIS · 16/01/2024 08:17

etmoiandme · 16/01/2024 08:11

Interesting take, especially because many of us have been highlighting atrocities in e.g. Yemen, Syria and China for a while now, but we're accused of whataboutery and deflection from Gaza 🤔

Exactly. Now it suits, it's OK? Yeman has had a civil war, largely ignored where far more have been killed than in Gaza.... 150,000 dead due to war, over 270,000 due to starvation. The numbers are significantly higher than Gaza but done by their own terrorist group in their civil war. No one cared though.

XRAYTHIS · 16/01/2024 08:14

queenofarles · 16/01/2024 07:54

Oh how hypocritical !

why is it when only it affects western countries people all of sudden care about the poor Yemeni people ?
why is everyone so outraged because cargo ships are turned around or are taking a longer route? While we all know none of this happened prior to the conflict, not even when a big coalition led by the US and UK and France were participating in bloody civil war.

It affects Yeman more. It will help starve them, therefore the Houthis action directly harms their own people...

'For Yemen, which imports up to 90% of its food and goods, the knock-on effect of rising food prices may be dire. Almost 70% of Yemenis rely on humanitarian aid and earlier this month the UN’s World Food Program announced a suspension of aid in Houthi territory after failing to reach an agreement with the Houthis on its operations. ' from

https://www.declassifieduk.org/who-are-yemens-houthi-rebels-attacking-israeli-ships/

Who Are Yemen’s Houthi Rebels Attacking Israeli Ships?

From rag-tag militia to global supply chain disruptor, the Houthi movement in Yemen has emerged as the most audacious Arab ally for Palestinians besieged in Gaza.

https://www.declassifieduk.org/who-are-yemens-houthi-rebels-attacking-israeli-ships

etmoiandme · 16/01/2024 08:11

queenofarles · 16/01/2024 07:54

Oh how hypocritical !

why is it when only it affects western countries people all of sudden care about the poor Yemeni people ?
why is everyone so outraged because cargo ships are turned around or are taking a longer route? While we all know none of this happened prior to the conflict, not even when a big coalition led by the US and UK and France were participating in bloody civil war.

Interesting take, especially because many of us have been highlighting atrocities in e.g. Yemen, Syria and China for a while now, but we're accused of whataboutery and deflection from Gaza 🤔

queenofarles · 16/01/2024 07:54

Oh how hypocritical !

why is it when only it affects western countries people all of sudden care about the poor Yemeni people ?
why is everyone so outraged because cargo ships are turned around or are taking a longer route? While we all know none of this happened prior to the conflict, not even when a big coalition led by the US and UK and France were participating in bloody civil war.

stomachameleon · 16/01/2024 07:52

@QueenRania actually I have seen the marches and how hostile they are in parts. I have also witnessed the protests that frighten and intimidate people in a couple of the towns local to me. Exclusionary to those without extreme views and inciting. And I bet a good amount have no idea what is going on in the Middle East. I don't think people who do this are thick... I think some are dangerous and that worries me more.

Once again we are back to the - unless you saw it, it didn't happen' argument. Wonder why I recognise that?

noblegiraffe · 16/01/2024 07:41

Thinking about the comment earlier about it not being a hate crime - the Houthis are not a proscribed terrorist organisation although there have been calls for this for a long time. Apparently it would make getting aid to Yemen more difficult if they were designated terrorists.

So chanting Houthi support on the streets can't be treated in the same way as chanting support for Hamas, who are a proscribed terrorist organisation and which would get you arrested.

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Morningmeeting · 16/01/2024 06:56

theconfidenceofwho · 15/01/2024 23:29

@QueenRania are they also calling for the hostages to be freed?

That's something I don't understand how the good people on these marches supporting Gaza and now the Houthis aren't also calling for the hostages to be freed?

Or condemning the 7/10 atrocities.

We all know why they aren’t calling for this though, don’t we?

Even the minority there who may actually see Oct 7th for the atrocity it is, would not dare to hold a banner saying this, as they would be set upon by the rest of the marchers.

Morningmeeting · 16/01/2024 06:49

stomachameleon · 15/01/2024 23:00

@gloriagloria that keeps being said but I don't see it as a small minority anymore. In fact it's increasing in size as well as in intolerance, antisemitism and not peaceful rhetoric.

I agree with this. I was out at a social night with a group I am in. Only six of us. Three people there held views either denying the atrocities of 7/10 happened ( it’s all propaganda),or that ‘the Israelis have nothing to complain about’ regarding 7/10 ( ie they deserved it). One further person probably supported them but was quieter, but commenting that none of us were there so ( at 7/10) so we can’t say what happened.
I was the only person arguing against these views and was completely unsupported.

Sausagenbacon · 16/01/2024 06:34

Not only are they not a small minority anymore, but the 'peaceful majority' know exactly who they're marching alongside now.
Yes
And they still keep marching

XRAYTHIS · 16/01/2024 04:38

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2024

The Houthis have destroyed Yeman. Suddenly they are the good guys @headstone ?

Nadia, a Sudanese refugee who has fled the violence in Sudan's Darfur region, hugs her friend Khadidja, beside makeshift shelters near the border between Sudan and Chad in Koufroun, Chad on May 11, 2023. 

World Report 2024

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2024

XRAYTHIS · 16/01/2024 04:34

Over 150,000 people have been killed in Yeman due to civil war started by the houtis.... over 227,000 died due to starvation @headstone ..... boats not getting through doesn't helpnthe people of Yeman....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemeni_civil_war_(2014%E2%80%93present)#:~:text=The%20UN%20announced%20on%202,facilities%20due%20to%20the%20war.

Yemeni civil war (2014–present) - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemeni_civil_war_(2014%E2%80%93present)#:~:text=The%20UN%20announced%20on%202,facilities%20due%20to%20the%20war.