Towards a sustainable peace

A lot of predictions on this thread are based on the inevitably of Israel winning the war. Which would allow them to dictate the terms of settlement.

What about if Israel fails to achieve it's objectives? The casualty rate of the IDF (and foreign mercenaries) is extremely high and the ground offensive is not going well as evidenced by the numerous videos of tanks being blown up.

Yesterday Hezbollah "damaged" an extremely strategic base by firing just 40 rockets. They've said this is only the beginning of the response to the assassination carried last week. Hezbollah has over 100'000 rockets and is ready for war, military they're Hamas times 100.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-admits-mount-meron-air-traffic-control-base-damaged-in-hezbollah-attack/

I was saying this in response to the poster who said Israel was suffering from unprovoked attacks, which is ridiculous considering the conditions Israeli Government place Gaza and the illegal occupied territories under.
Read my words and follow the thread rather than dipping in with your own made up interpretation.

I made it crystal clear, the innocent civilians of Oct 7 did nothing to provoke it, just as the innocent victims in Gaza did nothing to provoke their massacre either.
But the Israeli government did plenty, it’s on them.

Just to clarify: You're saying that the actions of the Israeli government were "plenty" enough to justify what happened on 7 October? Or have I misunderstood?

I made it crystal clear, the innocent civilians of Oct 7 did nothing to provoke it, just as the innocent victims in Gaza did nothing to provoke their massacre either.
But the Israeli government did plenty, it’s on them.

A lot of predictions on this thread are based on the inevitably of Israel winning the war. Which would allow them to dictate the terms of settlement.

What about if Israel fails to achieve it's objectives? The casualty rate of the IDF (and foreign mercenaries) is extremely high and the ground offensive is not going well as evidenced by the numerous videos of tanks being blown up.

Yesterday Hezbollah "damaged" an extremely strategic base by firing just 40 rockets. They've said this is only the beginning of the response to the assassination carried last week. Hezbollah has over 100'000 rockets and is ready for war, military they're Hamas times 100.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-admits-mount-meron-air-traffic-control-base-damaged-in-hezbollah-attack/

Just like the innocent men women and children of Gaza slaughtered in their thousands, they did nothing !

I don't see how that explains what the victims of the October 7th massacre did to provoke it.

That doesn't really answer my question.

Just like the innocent men women and children of Gaza slaughtered in their thousands, they did nothing !

NB. I know the word slaughter is making some of you uncomfortable, that’s because it is uncomfortable. It is what it is, be uncomfortable and ensure that it never happens again, If it’s ever not uncomfortable, then we are not human.

But you can’t say the Gazan people have been living in Utopia for the last 75 years could you ! They have been imprisoned into a small strip of land, with no air or sea rights, not allowed to have their own legitimate defence forces, their brand new airport bombed to smithereens and not allowed the materials to repair or rebuild it. No control over access to anything, power, water, basic materials, food rationed, all unless Israel allows it, so yes under a complete occupation. That’s on the Israeli government and a large majority of Israeli people voted to put them and other right wing parties there and gave them control.

What did the victims of thr massacre do to provoke an attack exactly?

Hmmmm.. what would you class as unprovoked ?

@DownNative You are giving a very one-sided view of what happened in Northern Ireland and are missing out two crucial factors.

First, the British government changed their view of the Catholic/Irish population from inferior to the Protestant population, to having equal rights. This meant that they stated that they no longer had a ‘selfish’ interest in NI, and would no longer treat Protestant wishes as more important than Catholic ones, and would treat both equally. And so would allow reunification of the majority of the people wanted it.

Second, and most importantly, from the late 70s onwards the British largely acted with restraint. They aimed to win ‘hearts and minds’. They did not react to IRA bombings by attacking IRA supporting areas or communities. They did not drop bombs on the Falls or Ardoyne, even if the majority supported the provos. Instead, they acted with restraint so the IRA looked like the bad guys.

Israel is doing none of this. It has no strategy for a long-term peace.

No slaughter - not intended at all so it is not a slaughter. Hamas putting them in the line of fire. How about some ire for Hamas?

Israel needs to stop facing unprovoked attacks before any changes could be considered.

Just my suggestion.

Israel needs to stop facing unprovoked attacks before any changes could be considered.

Just my suggestion.

So what is your suggestion then?

So are most countries in the world after winning unprovoked wars.

4 questions in one post.
You would be more likely to get a response for me if you didn't sound as if you were interrogating me.
As it is, I won't bother responding.

I don’t really see what my username has to do with it ? They are still illegally occupying Palestinian land over and above the 1967 borders.

4 questions in one post.
You would be more likely to get a response for me if you didn't sound as if you were interrogating me.
As it is, I won't bother responding.

So why are Israeli settlers being allowed to build on the occupied territories in the West Bank? Why are innocent civilians being murdered in the WB if this is not about land? There is no Hamas in the WB?
And why does the Likud party members and other prominent Israelis such as the UK Israeli ambassador talk about Israel owning all the land between the river and the sea- and this was prior to October 7th?

If it was only about peace and not about land, I bet the Palestinians would make peace work if Israel agreed to return to the 1967 borders as per the Oslo Accords.

Peace out too 😎