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Catastrophic hunger - 40% of Gaza's population at risk of famine

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Createaplant · 30/12/2023 17:13

Being reported by the Guardian:

40% of Gaza’s population is at risk of famine, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency said on Saturday.

“Every day is a struggle for survival, finding food and water,” the UN agency for Palestinian refugees added.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/dec/30/israel-gaza-war-live-hamas-palestinians-khan-younis-deaths-un-aid-us#:~:text=40%25%20of%20Gaza's%20population%20is,is%20grappling%20with%20catastrophic%20hunger.

Too sad and completely unnecessary. If only adequate aid, food and water was allowed in.

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EasterIssland · 23/06/2024 08:23

🤦🏻‍♀️ it’s all I can say

Kindatired · 20/06/2024 21:08

@DuskyBlueDepartingLight
One of the authors of the research quoted by your source serves as a principal consultant for the Israel Air Force, in the area of logistics and procurement policies. I would not consider him objective The other guy’s last significant publication in his own field seems to have been in 2005.

These two academics have form on stepping outside their lane or area of expertise eg a consulting company on how to find an expert witness for a court case, how to deal with a measles outbreak- useful guys- they seem to be able to offer an opinion on anything and be confident they have it right.

The study referred to is widely quoted in pro Israeli circles but I can’t find a peer reviewed publication that corresponds. If there is no peer reviewed publication, it’s not really the done thing in academic circles to be flogging your interpretation of data using the name of the university- it brings the institution into disrepute.

Polka83 · 19/06/2024 18:16

The JP article was probably only intended to be read by people with Israel- probably to continue to support idea that the IDF remain the most moral army and the war is not breaking international law.

The ICC had sufficient evidence gathered for starvation by lawyers independent from it to put out warrant for Netanyahu.

ScrollingLeaves · 19/06/2024 13:50

Food for thought perhaps:

Some examples of what some Israeli’s themselves have been writing about the danger of starvation in Gaza (in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz):

Inside Israel's Disturbing Denial of Starvation in Gaza
Israeli authorities and pro-Israel keyboard warriors, who systematically deny the evidence of expert research, aid agencies and Gazans themselves about catastrophic hunger in Gaza, have a clear, shameless motivation.

Among the ugliest spectacles of the ugliest phase of Israeli and Palestinian history is the attempt to deny the horrors committed by "our" side. Israeli authorities and pro-Israel keyboard warriors are cultivating denialism daily, and shamelessly.
Dahlia Scheindlin
March 2024

We Israelis Are All Complicit in the Starvation of Civilians in Gaza
Creating mass starvation is morally prohibited, undermining the State of Israel's moral right to exist. Every just war has its limits, and the claim that the goal justifies the means is both malicious and erroneous.
Yul Tamir
April 2024

If Gaza's Children Starve, Israel Will Lose Its Moral Legitimacy Forever
'Children have begun dying of evident starvation': If Israel continues the war in Gaza, while impeding the essential massive delivery of food aid, it will be seen as the primary author of one of the greatest humanitarian crises in modern memory.
David Rothkopt
March 2024

The Destruction, Starvation and Death in Gaza Are Israel's Defeat

The Jewish state was defeated because its politicians and public officials are causing two million three hundred thousand human beings to go hungry and thirsty.

Israel was defeated and is still being defeated, not because of the fact that at the start of the ninth month of this accursed war, Hamas has not been toppled. The emblem of defeat will forever appear alongside the menorah and flag, because the leaders, commanders and soldiers of Israel killed and wounded thousands of Palestinian civilians, sowing unprecedented ruin and desolation in the Gaza Strip. Because its air force knowingly bombed buildings full of children, women and the elderly. Because in Israel people believe there is no other way. Because entire families were wiped out.
Amira Hass
June 2024

ScrollingLeaves · 19/06/2024 13:23

This video is from channel 4 news last Monday 17th.

Below are some stills.

Children are at particular risk from malnourishment, dehydration and disease.

Catastrophic hunger - 40% of Gaza's population at risk of famine
Catastrophic hunger - 40% of Gaza's population at risk of famine
Molymoly · 19/06/2024 12:29

Also, Richard Kemp the British military officer is listed on Wikipedia as: The head of the UK Friends of the Association for the Wellbeing of Israel’s Soldiers (UK-AWIS), the UK branch of AWIS, an Israeli organisation managed by the Israel Defense Forces and headed by General Yoram Yair.[3]

EmberLight · 19/06/2024 11:13

Unsurprisingly both authors of that disgraceful article denying the famine have ties to Israel - one is either Israeli or was certainly educated there and the other is on the payroll of the Israeli military. The article is "corroborated" by an Israeli study.

DuskyBlueDepartingLight · 19/06/2024 10:28

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PeasfullPerson · 19/06/2024 09:30

Clearly more needs to be done to ensure the safe distribution of aid, and as Israel are occupying Gaza, they are the ones that need to do this.

From the Wall Street Journal.

‘In Gaza, $25 Cigarettes Are Turning Aid Trucks Into Targets’

‘Rampant cigarette smuggling—fueled by high prices for tobacco—has become the latest manifestation of a breakdown in law and order that is slowing the delivery of lifesaving assistance.’

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/in-gaza-25-cigarettes-are-turning-aid-trucks-into-targets/ar-BB1otFEW

PeasfullPerson · 19/06/2024 09:07

Because it’s still as relevant as ever I will post this link again.

Israel are the ones who control the aid, so they need to provide evidence that it is entering Gaza and that they are facilitating safe distribution. Show us the evidence, let independents into Gaza to verify the truth.

‘Instead, and in a move not anticipated by Cohen but which the sociologist in him might have admired, Israel and its supporters have flipped the need for denial to the other side: instead of Israel attempting to show that the atrocities it is committing in Gaza are not in fact taking place, the Palestinians and their supporters find themselves having to prove to the world that things that did not happen actually did not happen − or not in the way Israel says they did. Disproving fabrications is an exhausting business, usefully so from Israel’s point of view. Refutation takes time and often comes too late to undermine what have become entrenched truths.’

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v46/n02/conor-gearty/short-cuts

Conor Gearty · Short Cuts: Versions of Denial

Denial in Israel is a means of keeping supporters abroad on message. We in the Global North need lies so that we can...

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v46/n02/conor-gearty/short-cuts

Dulra · 19/06/2024 08:08

DuskyBlueDepartingLight · 18/06/2024 23:01

Richard Kemp CBE retired British Army Officer on X

'Columbia University profs: We found that the food supply entering Gaza is more than sufficient to feed all 2.2 million Gazans.'

RK 'Yet the ICC, the UN & other anti-Israel activists perpetuate the lie of starvation. They are the tools of Hamas propaganda.'

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-806739

RK 'Yet the ICC, the UN & other anti-Israel activists perpetuate the lie of starvation. They are the tools of Hamas propaganda.'

Anyone who utters a sentence like that has a clear agenda.
Just scroll back through the countless articles posted on this thread from numerous sources that demonstrate the lack of humanitarian aid and the difficulties getting aid into Gaza and the details on the humanitarian crisis that is there. I find it pretty distasteful that people are actually out there trying to convince us that children in Gaza are not starving, we are not blind we can see the images for ourselves. You believe whatever you want to believe if it makes you feel better but take your Israeli propaganda elsewhere.

PearlKoala · 19/06/2024 00:03

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DuskyBlueDepartingLight · 18/06/2024 23:24

DuskyBlueDepartingLight · 18/06/2024 23:01

Richard Kemp CBE retired British Army Officer on X

'Columbia University profs: We found that the food supply entering Gaza is more than sufficient to feed all 2.2 million Gazans.'

RK 'Yet the ICC, the UN & other anti-Israel activists perpetuate the lie of starvation. They are the tools of Hamas propaganda.'

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-806739

It's comforting that there are people who speak the truth, yes.

ScrollingLeaves · 18/06/2024 23:18

DuskyBlueDepartingLight · 18/06/2024 23:01

Richard Kemp CBE retired British Army Officer on X

'Columbia University profs: We found that the food supply entering Gaza is more than sufficient to feed all 2.2 million Gazans.'

RK 'Yet the ICC, the UN & other anti-Israel activists perpetuate the lie of starvation. They are the tools of Hamas propaganda.'

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-806739

That will be comforting for Israeli Jerusalem Post readers.

DuskyBlueDepartingLight · 18/06/2024 23:01

Richard Kemp CBE retired British Army Officer on X

'Columbia University profs: We found that the food supply entering Gaza is more than sufficient to feed all 2.2 million Gazans.'

RK 'Yet the ICC, the UN & other anti-Israel activists perpetuate the lie of starvation. They are the tools of Hamas propaganda.'

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-806739

Experts: ICC and UN blamed Israel for a famine that never happened in Gaza - exclusive

‘We found that the food supply entering Gaza is more than sufficient to feed all 2.2 million Gazans according to what is considered a normal diet in North America"

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-806739

ScrollingLeaves · 18/06/2024 13:59

EmberLight · 18/06/2024 09:38

This morning a MSF doctor said on Irish radio that there's no sign of any pause yet, and that previous Israeli commitments to pause bombing/shooting etc to allow aid in haven't materialised either so he's not too hopeful.

That is a shame. I wonder if, following from the news of the pause l the other day, the IDF have been since been commanded by the government not to allow it?

EmberLight · 18/06/2024 09:38

ScrollingLeaves · 17/06/2024 20:05

I heard on the news, or read, that some think Netanyahu did know but was pretending he did not because of those who would be angry about it.

This morning a MSF doctor said on Irish radio that there's no sign of any pause yet, and that previous Israeli commitments to pause bombing/shooting etc to allow aid in haven't materialised either so he's not too hopeful.

ScrollingLeaves · 17/06/2024 20:25

There were dreadfully emaciated children shown as an example of this on Channel 4 News tonight. Thin to the extent of being virtually a skeleton.

There are also some very ill children who are not allowed to leave for treatment elsewhere.

ScrollingLeaves · 17/06/2024 20:05

DownNative · 17/06/2024 16:48

Normally, yes, it is highly unusual for a Sovereign Power's military force to make an operational decision without the knowledge of the Government and/or Head Of Government.

Israeli Basic Law asserts:

"Article 2: Subordination to the Civilian Authorities,” reads: (a) “The Army is Subject to the Authority of the Government,” and (b) “The Minister in charge of the Army on behalf of the Government is the Minister of Defence.”

Rule 40 a makes it clear only the Government can declare war, but rule 40 b has some ambiguity in that some operational decisions don't necessarily need the authorisation of the PM or Minister of Defence. This may explain the above if that actually happened.

Israel has a structure of Government that's quite different to what we might be used to.

In general, the Israeli Government is in charge of the broader strategic decisions and Minister of Defence is in charge of day to day operations. Israel has three decision making forums - government, security cabinet, and war cabinet.

I heard on the news, or read, that some think Netanyahu did know but was pretending he did not because of those who would be angry about it.