Catastrophic hunger - 40% of Gaza's population at risk of famine

I don't know why people are even bothering when that poster can't even be bothered to read what the WFP have said after repeatedly using them as an example of an organisation that is distributing food.

what's happening with the distribution of food? 14 trucks turned away on the 5th of March by the IDF that should have been distributed in North gaza for one is one example of the difficulties WFP are facing

But no, Isreal or more accurately their government isn't starving people to death

I don’t think it is 700g food a day if the weight is the weigh bridge weight as a previous poster said above. It’ll include packaging etc.

We cross posted there. As you can see, I saw I had missed a word out when I was reading and immediately rectified myself.

Is there a reason why you are so angry and insulting? These are perfectly reasonable questions to ask.

No one starves to death with 700g of food a day. No one is eating grass (which is one of the more crazy posts I have seen). Unless, the food is not getting to them.

Is there a reason why you would be so keen to stamp your feet and say ISRAEL IS STARVING PEOPLE TO DEATH rather than actually looking at why people are starving to death?

Israel definitely makes people go a little weird doesn't it.

By definition meeting half the daily calorie needs is not meeting their needs is it?

so either you can feed a family of 5 for 7 days with that food package and meet their needs or you can feed 137k for 15days which is not a lot.

Either way the UK government is quite clear that Israel should be doing more.

Ah, right, some sense finally, I missed the word half when reading.

So then it seems 700g of food per person, per day is going into Gaza and 968g is what's actually needed. This makes far more sense. Thank you for providing one of the few reasoned responses.

That would mean 38% less food than is needed is actually getting in, but I do not think it explains "starvation". Simply working out what that quantity of food actually is, it would not kill anbody.

So there seems to be a problem still with even distribution and so on. As I understand it, food is not reaching some areas.

Although I am unsure why looking at the data to understand the food shortage is "extreme". It seems a rather logical thing to do.

HALF

I'm guessing maths was not you strong point.
You have presented evidence that not more than 72% of food than is needed (according to the UK government) has been admitted to Gaza.

Umm, no. As my post says there is clearly an issue. I repeatedly say that.

What I am saying is, the issue is seemingly not a shortage of food being admitted into Gaza.

I have presented evidence that 44% more food than is needed (according to the UK government) has been admitted to Gaza.

You seem very angry about that and are trying to attack me for pointing out facts you don't like because they mean the problem might be more than just Israel's fault.

Sorry, can you please tell me what information the ICJ have access to that changes what I have said?

I have stated the amount of food going into Gaza based on undisputed data, the same data quoted by news agencies such as the BBC

I have stated the amount of food the UK government says is needed per person, per day.

If people are facing famine, it is evidently not because there is not enough food, but because it is not being safely delivered to them.

The parcel can meet half of the daily calorie needs of the family for 15 days

484g x 2 = 968g

700g < 968g

The 700g has also been worked out using the weigh bridge weight, so includes packaging and pallets. i.e. the edible part of the food aid weighs less than 700g.
Even COGATS says this is only enough food if there are large supplies of available intact stored food in Gaza.

I suggest your view is extreme and not held by many.

COGAT are the agency tracking admission of trucks. They count truck deliveries each day, and show what has been handed over to the UN. This data isn't disputed by the UN. I am sure if it was incorrect, the UN would speak out and say "actually we did not get these trucks", wouldn't they?

I think perhaps once you get down the road of not believing data which is publicly shared and not disputed really by anybody, then it's impossible to have a conversation. The BBC and elsewhere are happy to accept this data. If you are not, then maybe you have ulterior motives.

See my second post, I will paste it again here

The best measure of the actual situation that applies here is from the UK Government. Their full statement is here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/largest-uk-aid-delivery-enters-gaza-to-feed-275000-people

I quote

"More than 2,000 tonnes of food aid, funded by the government, is being distributed by the World Food Programme (WFP) on the ground. The delivery includes fortified wheat flour for use in bakeries, hot meals and well as ready-to-eat (RTE) food parcels. The food parcels will be used to feed more than 275,000 people in Gaza. "Each food parcel is designed for family of 5 and consists of canned vegetables, meat and fish, and date bars. The parcel can meet half of the daily calorie needs of the family for 15 days"

So according to the UK government, 2000 tonnes of food aid feeds 275k people for 15 days. That works out to 484g per person, per day. According to the UK government this is sufficient to meet needs. And we know 700g of food per day is actually going into Gaza, so that's considerable more than the 484g needed.

So the UK government saying 484g per day is what's needed per person.

(Data aside, do you genuinely believe anyone is eating 2 - 3 kilos of food a day? or that they would die if they didn't? That defies basic common sense)

@Silence1 this is why I'm curious because LemonyTicket continually denies there is an issue so I've no idea how they are coming to that conclusion when everything else I read or hear about from organisations and aid workers is that there is a huge issue and it's not just food it is crucial medical supplies. A doctor returning from Gaza last week said he couldn't get access to oxygen masks because they were on the IDF contraband list.
The WHO stated in February that before October less than 1% of children in Gaza were malnourished but now (in February) 50% of children were. Every statistic coming out of Gaza contradicts the premise that enough aid is getting through

@LemonyTicket Just to remind you of what the ICJ said and they have access to a lot more information than you have.
From ToI

"The International Court of Justice issued new provisional measures aimed at Israel on Thursday, ordering it to increase the provision of basic humanitarian goods to the Gaza Strip, including food, water, fuel and shelter, due to what it said are worsening living conditions for Palestinians in the war-torn territory.
“The catastrophic living conditions of the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip have deteriorated further, in particular in view of the prolonged and widespread deprivation of food and other basic necessities to which the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip have been subjected,” the court said in its decision.

Palestinians in Gaza are no longer facing only a risk of famine… but that famine is setting in,” the court said on Thursday, noting that “the provisional measures indicated in the Order of 26 January 2024 do not fully address the consequences arising from the changes in the situation… thus justifying the modification of these measures.”
On January 26, the ICJ ordered Israel to comply with a series of provisional measures based on its finding that there was plausibility to an application filed by South Africa against Israel that Israel’s actions in Gaza fall under the scope of the Genocide Convention."

If you are so adamant that Israel are not deliberately restricting access to humanitarian aid into Gaza could you present evidence of this that does not come from an Israeli source or the IDF

It's been 'explained' so many times by you on so many threads that I filtered and found it.

Do you genuinely think that starving a civilian population including women, children and non-combatants is proportionate? Or legal? Or moral?

You seem nice on other threads so I can't believe that you really do.

And we know 700g of food per day is actually going into Gaza, so that's considerable more than the 484g needed.

Does not compute

If this stuff was posted on the weight loss threads it would be deleted for being pro-ana

I have just listened to an interview with a member of the opposition party in the Kensett and she said, nearly word for word, what I have read from posts who defend the Israeli government' actions.
I guess the law of propaganda (Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth) is working for the Israeli politicians.

One can of fava beans

WHO said yesterday that that there has been a significant increase in stillbirths and neonatal deaths due to maternal malnutrition and subsequent impaired foetal growth

This was eported just today

People in northern Gaza have been forced to survive on an average of 245 calories a day, according to Oxfam.
The charity says this amount of food represents "less than 12 per cent of the recommended daily 2,100 calorie intake needed per person".
The figure was calculated using demographic data taking into consideration age and gender variations.
Oxfam says 245 calories amounts to one can of fava beans a day.
For context, a 48g Snickers bar contains 248 calories.
The analysis is based on the latest available data used in the recent Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) analysis for Gaza.

This is calories and not weight. Food going into Gaza isn't calculated by calories, it is calculated by weight.

The best measure of the actual situation that applies here is from the UK Government. Their full statement is here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/largest-uk-aid-delivery-enters-gaza-to-feed-275000-people

I quote

"More than 2,000 tonnes of food aid, funded by the government, is being distributed by the World Food Programme (WFP) on the ground. The delivery includes fortified wheat flour for use in bakeries, hot meals and well as ready-to-eat (RTE) food parcels. The food parcels will be used to feed more than 275,000 people in Gaza. "Each food parcel is designed for family of 5 and consists of canned vegetables, meat and fish, and date bars. The parcel can meet half of the daily calorie needs of the family for 15 days"

So according to the UK government, 2000 tonnes of food aid feeds 275k people for 15 days. That works out to 484g per person, per day. According to the UK government this is sufficient to meet needs. And we know 700g of food per day is actually going into Gaza, so that's considerable more than the 484g needed.

It simply doesn't add up

As expected, posters indeed are more interested in portraying Israel in a certain way than actually examining the issue at hand and discussing what the cause might be. My worry is that this global "Israel hate" phenomenon is a serious block. In any other humanitarian crisis the world would pull together to ask "what is the problem and how can we fix it?". With this, instead, people ask "What is the problem and how can we blame it entirely on Israel".

As the BBC have said, COGAT and the UN track whatever goes into Gaza. The UN doesn't dispute what's handed over to it. That data is here:

https://govextra.gov.il/cogat/humanitarian-efforts/home/

So here's the maths on that

Days of war: 180
Population of Gaza: 2.1 million
Tonnes of food into Gaza: 265090
Tonnes per day: 14723
Converted to kilos per day: 1473000
Kilos, per day, per person: 0.70 which is 700g

Notable points:

1. There have also been air drops in addition to this
2. This is based on 2.1 million people, not all are even adults

But for the sake of this let's pretend all 2.1 million are adults. And what we know is that 700g of food per day, per person, has been brought into Gaza since the war began. It doesn't really matter what quotes you have from individuals on their struggles or trucks waiting at borders. This is how much has been actually delivered.

That is equivalent to 20 slices of bread, per person, per day. Even if you're talking about full meals, according to Foodbunker online: "A main course with three components—like meat, vegetables, and grains—should weigh an average of 400 to 550 grams to satisfy an adult".

So that would be tight for sure, but I can't see anyone starving to death if they have a full meal and some bread and so on every day. These things are not measured in calories, but I'd imagine these NGOs know what foods are best for this.

So I am asking a perfectly reasonable bloody question aren't I? Which is why people are starving if it's clear sufficient food is going into Gaza for people to NOT starve. Especially if a lot of those people are small children who don't eat anything like that much. There is a reason (likely a combination of reasons) that it is going in, but not actually getting to people in parts of Gaza.

So what's the motivation here of participating in these discussions? Is it to work out the problem and solve it? Or is it to fit up Israel and make it appear they are deliberately starving people because you hate Israel and frankly don't care about the facts?

I despair!

Israels channel 13 has reported of an angry phone call from Sunak to Netanyahu

This was on the BBC
Sunak reportedly warned Netanyahu: "If there is no change in the introduction of humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip, we will have to declare Israel in violation of international humanitarian law."

Well the research is not from WFP, they provide 2,100 cals per person per day for people fully dependent on food aid.
https://www.wfp.org/wfp-food-basket

If there is some food supply they provide additional supplementary food to vulnerable groups like children and women who are pregnant or breast feeding.

Where is your evidence from?
The UK Gov, Reuters, USAID, the UN and major international NGOS are all saying there is mass food insecurity and famine in Gaza and not enough aid is getting across the border. The US have even built a jetty to try and improve things. I have friends displaced in Rafah - comfortably-off professionals in times of peace - who have used up all their savings on basic food and clean water which is now incredibly hard to come by and very expensive (£5 a loaf). Only Israel is saying it's purely an issue of distribution.

And bringing in the bare minimum is just not enough in a situation like this where there is no record of where people are and no formal way of distributing. Equitable distribution is pretty much impossible, particularly when people are already food insecure and order has broken down (this is inevitable - I've seen it happen in far less catastrophic situations than Gaza), even when no-one is bombing you. It can sort of work short-term in a camp situation where everyone is registered and there are formal food distribution processes. 270g of food is about half a can of chickpeas and two portions of rice (strangely, chicken breasts are rarely on the menu in these situations) and this will not keep people healthy for any length of time. There needs to be excess to ensure any hope of equitable distribution. Yes, there will be looting - there always is and it needs to be factored in.