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Catastrophic hunger - 40% of Gaza's population at risk of famine

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Createaplant · 30/12/2023 17:13

Being reported by the Guardian:

40% of Gaza’s population is at risk of famine, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency said on Saturday.

“Every day is a struggle for survival, finding food and water,” the UN agency for Palestinian refugees added.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/dec/30/israel-gaza-war-live-hamas-palestinians-khan-younis-deaths-un-aid-us#:~:text=40%25%20of%20Gaza's%20population%20is,is%20grappling%20with%20catastrophic%20hunger.

Too sad and completely unnecessary. If only adequate aid, food and water was allowed in.

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TextureSeeker · 04/04/2024 19:52

LemonyTicket · 04/04/2024 18:36

The poster is aware I am Jewish, they have been interacting with me for a couple of days. They just accused me of being paid by Israel. This is classic antisemitism.

Were we were discussing a hunger issue in another conflict, say in Sudan, and I had questioned that there were deeper causes of food shortages, absolutely NOBODY would have become enraged and absolutely NOBODY would have accused me of being paid by Sudan.

It's so blindingly obvious.

People get accused of being Russian bots all of the time. Chinese bots are a thing people mention too. I don't know if Sudan is known for paying for people to post about them online? If someone was on here defending Russia for 2 days solid you can guarantee someone would accuse them of being a Russian bot.

TheTimeIsNowMaybeNow · 04/04/2024 19:51

Of course people are looting, there isn't enough food and water getting in I imagine people are bloody desperate . I don't think any country would react any differently after 6 months of what they have gone through

Dulra · 04/04/2024 19:46

LemonyTicket · 04/04/2024 18:32

Don't you think the humanitarian organisations are trying to "solve" it but are getting blocked by Israel at every turn.
I have just posted the report from the WFP that says they are blocked by Israel in some ways, and also by Palestinians themselves who are at high risk of stealing the aid, and by the circumstances of war making access difficult and dangerous. You have transformed this to "blocked by Israel at every turn".

You make it sound like everyone is sitting on their hands with no clue what to do.
I'd imagine if they are facing three issues:

  1. below and unreliable access
  2. high risk of looting
  3. danger of the warzone

Then focussing on just 1 is unhelpful, isn't it? Israel could let a million trucks in, but if it's being stolen or they cannot be safely delivered, it doesn't solve the issue.

Also provision of humanitarian aid cannot be used as a negotiating tool that would be a war crime. Absolutely the hostages need to be released but providing humanitarian aid is separate to that.
They say a ceasefire is essential to solve the crisis. If that's the case, the hostages will need to be returned.

The hostages too, are also likely starving and have had no access to the red cross for six months. And they are human beings too.

I am cringing now really. It comes across as you not caring at all about hungry people and just using these boards to express your feelings about Israel. It's horrible.

and also by Palestinians themselves who are at high risk of stealing the aid, and by the circumstances of war making access difficult and dangerous. You have transformed this to "blocked by Israel at every turn".

Which as I've pointed out happens in most humanitarian crises aid agencies are used to dealing with it but the conditions in Gaza for distributing aid, the fact that Israel won't allow them enough access routes so they've to travel longer distances or access to communication equipment makes it a lot harder to deal with looting. You said yourself you're not that familiar with humanitarian aid efforts so why are you making yourself out to be such an expert in it?

They say a ceasefire is essential to solve the crisis. If that's the case, the hostages will need to be returned.
A humanitarian ceasefire to let aid in but Israel can't use the provision of humanitarian aid as a negotiating tool for a ceasefire that is a war crime!

I am cringing now really. It comes across as you not caring at all about hungry people and just using these boards to express your feelings about Israel. It's horrible.
Don't cringe on my behalf I am responding to inaccuracies, correcting misinformation and my feelings are nothing to do with Israelis or Israel I have a huge issue though with the Israeli government and the IDF who have done their level best to disrupt access to aid and medical supplies for innocent civilians

Dulra · 04/04/2024 19:34

LemonyTicket · 04/04/2024 18:36

The poster is aware I am Jewish, they have been interacting with me for a couple of days. They just accused me of being paid by Israel. This is classic antisemitism.

Were we were discussing a hunger issue in another conflict, say in Sudan, and I had questioned that there were deeper causes of food shortages, absolutely NOBODY would have become enraged and absolutely NOBODY would have accused me of being paid by Sudan.

It's so blindingly obvious.

I was not aware you were Jewish I knew you were from the middle east but I thought you lived in the UK

It's so blindingly obvious
Well it's not blindingly obvious to me at all! I am Irish it is a well used jibe over here if someone is going on about something in support of a service they've had, or a product they'd bought you'd often say as a joke "are they paying you?"

You asked whether I worked for the UN so you obviously saw some kind of link to what I was posting to that organisation.

Anyway I see it's been deleted but I think you need to accept that not everyone is familiar with anti-semitic tropes and maybe advising me that it was as opposed to jumping down my neck I could have apologised and got the post removed. Educating people is far more effective than demonising them.

EasterIssland · 04/04/2024 19:24

Who:
27 children reportedly died from malnutrition in #Gaza, since October 2023. This number will grow if a ceasefire doesn't happen immediately and safety is not ensured for a scaled up aid delivery

https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1775538981033164850

LemonyTicket · 04/04/2024 18:53

EasterIssland · 04/04/2024 18:46

Can you please stop calling people liars ? It’s not the first time you do it

Here is your comment. You should delete it and apologise and stop trying to blame the victim for you posting a lie. It's disgraceful.

Catastrophic hunger - 40% of Gaza's population at risk of famine
EasterIssland · 04/04/2024 18:49

LemonyTicket · 04/04/2024 18:47

Stop lying then? Unless you can produce the post where I said "Islamophobia doesn't exist". I have never said that. Something that is not true, is a lie.

The comment replied you on had nothing to do with Islamophobia. Yet you called another person liar. You’ve done it a few times in the last few days.

LemonyTicket · 04/04/2024 18:47

EasterIssland · 04/04/2024 18:46

Can you please stop calling people liars ? It’s not the first time you do it

Stop lying then? Unless you can produce the post where I said "Islamophobia doesn't exist". I have never said that. Something that is not true, is a lie.

EasterIssland · 04/04/2024 18:46

LemonyTicket · 04/04/2024 18:40

@NerdWhoEatsMedlar

You are an outright liar. You posted these things:

You have essentially spent the day doubling down that recreating Minnesota Starvation Experiment in Gaza is a good idea.

It may be because you data analysis is weak but many tried to point out your error and yet again you doubled down.

Neither of those things happened. I have said and done no such thing.

You have twisted entirely everything I have said, because you are hostile to anyone who dares suggest the truth that Israel is not the only responsibly party for the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

Can you please stop calling people liars ? It’s not the first time you do it

fungipie · 04/04/2024 18:45

There is absolutely nothing antisemitic about denouncing what is happening in Gaza at the moment- the deliberate bombing and starving of a whole civilian population that has been suffering for over 70 years.

LemonyTicket · 04/04/2024 18:45

Auvergne63 · 04/04/2024 18:20

Maybe, just maybe the photo is to illustrate what they should be eating instead of grass? Would you prefer to have a picture of a child, eating grass, looking emaciated?
Who says this picture date to the beginning of this Ramadan? Could it be a library picture?
The reason I question data, is exactly because people say and spread complete nonsense like this.
You didn't question data. You made assumptions.
You still haven't provided any evidence to support your claims that no famine is happening. Why is that?

The photo was released and circulated on Twitter and thoroughly debunked. It was a lie, propaganda.

Auvergne63 · 04/04/2024 18:44

LemonyTicket · 04/04/2024 18:42

I have never said Islamophobia didn't exist. Ever.
I have no interest engaging with people who make up offensive smears either, thanks!

The irony!
" You are an outright liar" sounds like a personal attack to me.
Anyway, adieu.

LemonyTicket · 04/04/2024 18:42

Auvergne63 · 04/04/2024 18:27

Your post is beyond understanding. I, frankly, have had enough. I will not engage with you anymore, simply because I do not engage with people who see what they want to see, despite verified evidence from various sources. I thought critical thinking was a must for any scholar. Obviously, I was wrong.

I have never said Islamophobia didn't exist. Ever.
I have no interest engaging with people who make up offensive smears either, thanks!

LemonyTicket · 04/04/2024 18:40

@NerdWhoEatsMedlar

You are an outright liar. You posted these things:

You have essentially spent the day doubling down that recreating Minnesota Starvation Experiment in Gaza is a good idea.

It may be because you data analysis is weak but many tried to point out your error and yet again you doubled down.

Neither of those things happened. I have said and done no such thing.

You have twisted entirely everything I have said, because you are hostile to anyone who dares suggest the truth that Israel is not the only responsibly party for the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

LemonyTicket · 04/04/2024 18:36

EasterIssland · 04/04/2024 18:29

Where has the poster mentioned anything related with being Jewish?

The poster is aware I am Jewish, they have been interacting with me for a couple of days. They just accused me of being paid by Israel. This is classic antisemitism.

Were we were discussing a hunger issue in another conflict, say in Sudan, and I had questioned that there were deeper causes of food shortages, absolutely NOBODY would have become enraged and absolutely NOBODY would have accused me of being paid by Sudan.

It's so blindingly obvious.

fungipie · 04/04/2024 18:35

Mushroomsouptonight · 20/03/2024 16:19

It needs pressure from the US to ensure it gets in quickly.

The US is still sending tons of money and arms to Israel. When they stop, Israel would have to stop. The USA has a massive responsibility in all this.

Parkingt111 · 04/04/2024 18:33

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 04/04/2024 18:24

I stand by the fact that no one is starving to death on 700g of food a day.

The Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO) disagree with you.

My 22kg dog disagrees with you, that's only one and three quarters can of dog food.

COGAT disagrees with you.

Every NGO disagrees with you.

The UK Government disagrees with you.

I disagree with you. Would you like to launch another personal attack calling me an outright liar?

Precisely

LemonyTicket · 04/04/2024 18:32

Dulra · 04/04/2024 18:11

I think a "good idea" would be for Hamas to return the hostages, have a ceasefire and everyone to be fed. As that option isn't available, I think a "good idea" would be to focus on examining the hunger problem and solving it.
Don't you think the humanitarian organisations are trying to "solve" it but are getting blocked by Israel at every turn. You make it sound like everyone is sitting on their hands with no clue what to do. Also provision of humanitarian aid cannot be used as a negotiating tool that would be a war crime. Absolutely the hostages need to be released but providing humanitarian aid is seperate to that.

What many seem to think is a "good idea" is instead using hungry children as a weapon to express their prejudice.
What a new low can you point out the posters that are doing that? You seem hell bent on trying to prove Israel is doing no wrong so I would suggest you are trying to deny there are any starving children at all despite the numerous evidence presented to you

Don't you think the humanitarian organisations are trying to "solve" it but are getting blocked by Israel at every turn.
I have just posted the report from the WFP that says they are blocked by Israel in some ways, and also by Palestinians themselves who are at high risk of stealing the aid, and by the circumstances of war making access difficult and dangerous. You have transformed this to "blocked by Israel at every turn".

You make it sound like everyone is sitting on their hands with no clue what to do.
I'd imagine if they are facing three issues:

  1. below and unreliable access
  2. high risk of looting
  3. danger of the warzone

Then focussing on just 1 is unhelpful, isn't it? Israel could let a million trucks in, but if it's being stolen or they cannot be safely delivered, it doesn't solve the issue.

Also provision of humanitarian aid cannot be used as a negotiating tool that would be a war crime. Absolutely the hostages need to be released but providing humanitarian aid is separate to that.
They say a ceasefire is essential to solve the crisis. If that's the case, the hostages will need to be returned.

The hostages too, are also likely starving and have had no access to the red cross for six months. And they are human beings too.

I am cringing now really. It comes across as you not caring at all about hungry people and just using these boards to express your feelings about Israel. It's horrible.

Dulra · 04/04/2024 18:31

LemonyTicket · 04/04/2024 18:24

Ah of course! The Jew on the payroll! How original!

Fgs I said it because you are defending the Israeli government so thoroughly I would want to be paid for that! and I actually have no idea what your ethnicity or faith is, do you know mine?

EasterIssland · 04/04/2024 18:29

LemonyTicket · 04/04/2024 18:24

Ah of course! The Jew on the payroll! How original!

Where has the poster mentioned anything related with being Jewish?

Auvergne63 · 04/04/2024 18:27

LemonyTicket · 04/04/2024 18:16

I have never in my life said Islamophobia didn't exist. In fact I talked at length about how bad it has been. I said it was not the pressing issue facing the country at this moment which is caught in an extreme wave of antisemitism, and that it is Jewish businesses being targeted, Jewish people afraid to go out and anti Jewish signs and displays all over the streets each weekend. You should apologise and ask for your revolting comment to be removed.

Your post is beyond understanding. I, frankly, have had enough. I will not engage with you anymore, simply because I do not engage with people who see what they want to see, despite verified evidence from various sources. I thought critical thinking was a must for any scholar. Obviously, I was wrong.

LemonyTicket · 04/04/2024 18:24

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NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 04/04/2024 18:24

I stand by the fact that no one is starving to death on 700g of food a day.

The Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO) disagree with you.

My 22kg dog disagrees with you, that's only one and three quarters can of dog food.

COGAT disagrees with you.

Every NGO disagrees with you.

The UK Government disagrees with you.

I disagree with you. Would you like to launch another personal attack calling me an outright liar?

LemonyTicket · 04/04/2024 18:23

Dulra · 04/04/2024 16:16

So there was miscalculation with your figures which is why I queried it because your confidence that there was enough aid getting through contradicted everything else I have read and heard on the current situation.

You seem very angry about that and are trying to attack me for pointing out facts you don't like because they mean the problem might be more than just Israel's fault.
I wasn't "very angry" I was just trying to work out the truth and I certainly wasn't attacking you!
And I do think the difficulty with the distribution of aid is the IDF and Israeli governments fault as do the UN, ICJ, EU, UK, WHO if what statements I've read from them are accurate. My local MEP returned from the region a few weeks ago and was very vocal about the issues with aid getting through and issues with distribution.

No one starves to death with 700g of food a day. No one is eating grass (which is one of the more crazy posts I have seen). Unless, the food is not getting to them.
Children and babies are though! I also think it is unrealistic to expect the aid that is getting through to be distributed evenly. Yes looting occurs which is the case in all areas where people are desperate, the fittest are mobile and can get to the distribution points easier, the roads are in bits so it is extremely difficult to get aid to certain areas. The IDF will not allow communication systems on the aid trucks so logistics is an issue. Many organisations that distribute aid are pulling out because their safety is not guaranteed. UNWRA the best placed organisation to distribute aid is unable to do so. So many are not getting the 700g of food a day. Include in that those that are sick and dying but unable to getting access to medical supplies. I have not heard anyone from anywhere claim it is not a humanitarian disaster

I think what you have put across is likely to be a much more accurate picture of what the problem is. I completely agree it's a humanitarian disaster. I am in no doubt that some people are not getting what they should be getting and would like to see it solved. This is a more sensible assessment than many NGOs have made. I have never seen a humanitarian crisis before where the world seems more interested in their own agenda than the actual crisis.

Dulra · 04/04/2024 18:20

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