SOCIALIST REVOLUTIONARIES FOR HAMAS?

@basculin Yes it was meant to be sarcastic. Although some people quote them and others like lord bebo as if they are honest journalists

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Yes agreed. I hear a certain member of the Maté family is well worth a read on the G-Zone. No bias and antisemitic conspiracy theories, and importantly, no disinformation and grifting. Which is just so refreshing to find in alt media.

I find myself repeatedly disgusted with the far-left where I thought my freedom/equality-based political alignment rested among like-minded people.

Agree. I'm really struggling with trade union membership now too (have been for a while if the truth be told, due to other issues). Mine decided to "both sides" it in a statement on 10 October. They honestly make me sick. It's full of individuals who are into this SW bullshit like our friend here.
But I can't do without representation and I can't cross a picket line.

No shilling? Is that a joke?

www.instagram.com/reel/C1SHkq4ofGp/?igsh=ZnFvb3dkODVqeHgz

You should check out the Grayzone if you no longer read MSM

Love their work, quality journalism and absolutely no shilling

Because of my job I met a member of the Mengele family, yes his great uncle was the infamous Dr Death, he was delightful (I didn't know then he was related) and later in life as a governor of my kids village primary I helped arrange 4 different holocaust survivor's (3 Jewish and 1 Roma) to talk to the children plus 2 of them also came and spoke to my lad's rugby league team, all where amazing humans. I asked them privately about their feelings about my meeting with Mr Mengele and they said it was mixed. I won't say anymore because it was private conservation

@ParentofanewPC Mengele was known as “The Angel of Death”. Do you know what he did to Roma children? To Jewish and Roma twins? That you used your meeting with Holocaust survivors as an opportunity to have a little chat asking them how they felt about you meeting Mengele’s “delightful” great nephew disturbs me in a way I can’t quite articulate.

It’s actually fascinating to see the corruption and erasure of Jewish history in that sermon, using the language that’s tapping almost directly into the cerebral cortex of left wing antisemites with their dopamine producing words such as genocide, oppression, colonisers, Empire.

Jesus, born among the occupied and marginalized.
Jesus, a Jew, born among the occupied and marginalized- the Jews, by the Romans.

Barely and miraculously surviving a massacre. among a refugee family.
A Jewish refugee family, surviving a massacre of Jews.

Jesus became the victim of the very same violence of the Empire. He was tortured. Crucified.
The Roman Empire. Torturing and crucifying Jews in their thousands.

I don’t understand how the language and sentiments of Christianity and the SWP can ever be reconciled. One preaches love, forgiveness and acceptance, the other preaches opposition, violence and rejection.

but if by sticking my head up to be shot at by the Empire, Rev Isaac mentions leads to readers of this thread seeing his words then so be it.

Identifying with the oppressed doesn’t mean you are oppressed. You’re not going to go into battle and die defending a side, this isn’t a binary with a right side and a wrong side. That you exhibit no compassion for human suffering on what you perceive to be the “wrong” side is surely the antithesis of Jesus’s teachings.

@ParentofanewPC Having just read this thread now and your closing statement, I won't comment on whether or not you are an anti-Semite it a groomed terrorist. I don't care how you believe your "maker" will judge you. I don't care which political figures and their relatives you have met.

The only thing I will comment on is that despite the revulsion and strong urge to report your comments, I am going to leave them so that others can see the lack of empathy and critical thinking shown by you in your support of the articles linked in the OP. I hope people see it.

Ah yes, the mass murder, rape, mutilation, torture, and kidnapping is all justified. All in the name of "Socialism". Because every Israeli is an Imperialist with no regard for Palestinians whatsoever and deserves to suffer the trauma and humiliation as they did on October 7th and will again if Hamas is labelled as freedom-fighters.

There are millions of innocents on both sides. I find myself repeatedly disgusted with the far-left where I thought my freedom/equality-based political alignment rested among like-minded people.

My final post.

i am 55 years old, average education, 1 o level 3 CSE and 3 level 3 equal qualifications. But thanks to fate I have met some amazing people.
Like i said I met Gerry Adams and John Hume but I then worked with 2 ex British soldiers who served in Ulster in the troubles and I also knew 2 police officers who where either ex RUC or had been in Northern Ireland. All where decent humans who had different takes, but in the end peace came.

Because of my job I met a member of the Mengele family, yes his great uncle was the infamous Dr Death, he was delightful (I didn't know then he was related) and later in life as a governor of my kids village primary I helped arrange 4 different holocaust survivor's (3 Jewish and 1 Roma) to talk to the children plus 2 of them also came and spoke to my lad's rugby league team, all where amazing humans. I asked them privately about their feelings about my meeting with Mr Mengele and they said it was mixed. I won't say anymore because it was private conservation

I do know once thing, if Russian is wrong, then so is Israel. If all you Israeli supporters only want a safe and free Israel, you are going to be sadly wrong and totally heart broken, as the last 3 months has made the next 2 generations of Hamas radicals in front of our faces.

Rev Munther Isaac said " Gaza today has become the moral compass of the world, Gaza was hell before October 7th and the world was silent. should we be surprised that they are silent now? If you are not appalled by what is happening in Gaza, if you are not shaken to your core, there is something wrong with your humanity. And if we as Christians are not outraged by genocide, by the weaponisation of the Bible to justify it, there is something wrong with our Christian witness and we are compromising the credibility of our Gospel message. If you fail to call this a genocide that is on you. It is a sin and a darkness you willingly embrace

In our pain, anguish and lament, we have searched for God and found him under the rubble in Gaza. Jesus became the victim of the very same violence of the Empire. He was tortured. Crucified. He bled out as others watched. He was killed and cried out in pain: MY GOD WHERE ARE YOU? In Gaza today, God is under the rubble

And in this Christmas season,as we search for Jesus. he is to found not on the side of Rome, but our side of wall _ in a cave, with a simple family. Vulnerable. Barely and miraculously surviving a massacre. among a refugee family. This is where Jesus is found

When we glorify pride and richness, Jesus is under the rubble.when we rely on power, might and weapons, Jesus is under the rubble. When we justify, rationalise and theologize the bombing of children, Jesus is under the rubble.

This is his manger. He is at home with the marginalized, the suffering, the oppressed and the displaced. This is his manger. It's a manger that is about resilience. The resilience of Jesus is in his meekness, weakness and vulnerability. The majesty of the incarnation lies in its solidarity with marginalized.

It's resilient because this very same child rose up from the midst of pain, destruction, darkness and death to challenge empires, to speak truth to power and deliver an everlasting victory over death and darkness. I was in the United States just after Thanksgiving ans I was amazed at the amount of Christmas decorations and lights and all the commercial goods. I COULDN'T HELP BUT THINK: THEY SING ABOUT THE PRINCE OF PEACE IN OUR LAND WHILE THEY PLAYING THE DRUM OF WAR IN OUR LAND.

This is our message to the world today. It is a gospel message, a true and authentic Christmas message, about God who did not stay silent but sent his Word,and his Word is Jesus, born among the occupied and marginalized. He is in solidarity with us in our pain and Brokenness"

There is more like

"To our European friends, I never ever want to hear you lecture us on human rights or international law again. And I mean this. We are not white I guess, it does not apply to us according to your logic. In this war, many Christians and the Western World made sure the Empire has the thelogy needed. It is thus self-defence,we were told and I continue to ask, how was the killing of 9000 children self defence? How was the displacement of 1.9 million Palestinians self defence?"

or maybe
" In the shadow of the Empire, they turned the coloniser into the victim and the colonised into the aggressor. have we forgotten? Have we forgotten that the state they talk off, is a state that was built on the ruins of the towns and villages of those very same Gazans. Have they forgot that? We are outraged by the complicity of the church. Let it be clear friends. silence is complicity and empty calls for peace without a ceasefire and end to occupation and the shallow words of empathy without direct action, all under the banner of complicity"

So sorry if I have upset so many of you, but the SWP report linked earlier is the closest press report to anyone Rev Isaac said or requested from his fellow Christians and decent human beings.
So I will take all your insults and attacks and after spending the 1st 6 weeks emailing my MP (Tory but admitted I had raised numerous correct points) and all party leaders, I fell silent in despair, but if by sticking my head up to be shot at by the Empire, Rev Isaac mentions leads to readers of this thread seeing his words then so be it.

Please watch it on X(twitter) or Youtube it is about 18 minutes in total and made my family cry.
I would rather stand at the side of, and die defending, the Reverend Munther Isaac then be on the side most of this threads posters and the Western World and governments. If that makes me Anti-Semitic or a groomed terrorist well so be it, i will be happy to explain to my maker when the grim reaper knocks.

Good night,
Happy new year.
It won't be in Gaza or the West Bank, remember that as you all get drunk and congratulate yourselves tonight, 2024 could be the most dangerous year for us all since 1938/9

Truly
who has attacked me before, I have only made one post on mumsnet before, about and on Chris Kaba in the news section. I have not posted on any other thread before.

But it is so easy to attack me, I notice you and no one else has condemned the murder of Naheda and Samr Anton by Israeli troops, I think that says all I need to know.

Big Frau
Notice I haven't attacked any one, i have condemned Hamas and will do again. i am not a cave dweller as one pp called me or a terrorist in waiting. Just a parent of 2 boys, one who will be doing 12 hours policing a northern English city centre tomorrow night ( I couldn't be prouder of him) and one who has spent every day but Christmas day at Sainburys making sure you all got your Christmas food (couldn't be prouder of him too)Plus my son worked 12 hours into Christmas Day and my spouse worked both Christmas day and Boxing Day for our police force. I will be working all over new year's weekend.
But because I care for Palestine you and you friends on here have to de-humanise us.

But Like i said i won't change your mind, you certainly won't stop my beliefs.
i hope all here have a peaceful and Happy New Year, and unlike millions of Gazan's don't spend the next 48 hours wondering when the IDF will kill you.

@ParentofanewPC

You will only condemn rape if it’s confirmed by the ICC?

You’re conflating murdered Israeli soldiers with Nazis?

Patronising and insulting “Israeli fan girls” while making prejudiced assumptions about their backgrounds?

I don’t care about your crapping 1980’s education or your dubious condemnation of Hamas but you can add misogynist to the list of antisemite and talking like a radicalised teenager.

Exactly. Logic fail. Thought process all over the place.

If you don't like Hamas then maybe don't talk about an article celebrating the Hamas terror attacks as 'the truth for a change' and say that folk must be a genocide supporters because they called Hamas terrorist scum. Just a thought.

And nobody gives a shit who you met, or what meetings you've been to, or what school you went to. Seriously, it doesn't matter if you were BFFs with Nelson Mandela or whatever you're going to come out with next.

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@ParentofanewPC you seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder about being working class, comprehensive school etc when literally no one on here gives a shit

As for patronisingly asking whether we did history at school, some of us actually lived it mate and are dealing with the aftermath of that every day

Stop assuming everyone else is a white, middle class, clueless female. Your prejudices are showing and it's not a good look

Aha.

I have now at least twice condemned HAMAS. I again condemn Hamas I have met Terry Waite, due to my volunteering at Emmaus. I have also met with Gerry Adams, because I was a friend of an Irish agri student in 1987 to 1990 and visited him in his home in Ballyshannon. I also met with John Hume in passing. I have also been to been to SWP, SDP and sadly Tory meetings.
I boycotted South Africa and campaigned for peace in Ireland. I went to Palestine meetings in London in the 1990, when the PLO was the terrorists.

The one thing I know is you can not bomb or kill our way out of armed conflict, as what follows is always worse. I take it you all didn't follow history at school, or maybe you only did empire studies? The British empire killed more innocents then Hamas and the US has a history of bloody coups.
Look at Syria, Afghanistan. Libya, Zimbabwe, Iran and Iraq for the glory of US and UK foreign policy.

But like any one who does not support Israel I am either a Anti-Semitic or a terrorist been programmed. Or maybe i just one of millions in the UK and world who doesn't automatically support everything the west and Israel does. But that was what my crapping 1980 comprehensive education taught us.