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WibbleWobbleFlop · 01/01/2024 00:57

@ParentofanewPC Amongst all of that pseudo-religious garble, you have insinuated that almost all of those who are concerned about the safety of innocent Israeli citizens Jewish people around the world ("Jewish supporters" as you called them...lovely) are cheering the genocide of Palestinians. Just so we're clear, do you believe that those who do not wish for the extermination of Jewish people are inherently bad people? Because that's how your posts read.

Silence1 · 01/01/2024 00:54

@setsu Children being killed in Gaza and sadly many do support it or at least wont deny it as then: OMG they wont be supporting Israel but I suspect you knew that.
Israel will never be safe while the majority don.t stand for peace. They will have to be brave and with the current government they are anything but

stomachameleon · 01/01/2024 00:50

I haven't killed any children.

setsu · 01/01/2024 00:47

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no one on here is killing children

Silence1 · 01/01/2024 00:42

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Do you think it’s got anything to with the fact that IDF forces are killing innocent people every day? And then Israeli spokespersons are on news programmes justifying those killings? (I have not seen one single interview with anyone who tried to justify the sickening attacks of October 7th, and that is the way it should be, but it horrified me that IDF personnel can do what they do, and believe that they have right in their side.

why did you delete that? it was so original and constructive

stomachameleon · 01/01/2024 00:25

Oh your final final final post...
BiscuitBiscuitBiscuitBiscuit

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ParentofanewPC · 01/01/2024 00:10

My final post

What the fuck has Israel been doing in the West Bank to turn a Christian Pastor, a religion based on forgiveness, to make that sermon where he says "THEY AND HE WILL NOT FORGIVE YOU"
Also "Where was I when Gaza was going through a genocide?"
Well for me I was emailing my MP, all party leaders, the Church of England and we as a family have instead of giving a weekly contribution to the church we no longer attend we have instead donate to MAP and once this genocide is over, we will continue to fund Palestine's future.

Sadly for most PP on here and this thread I believe you have cheered the genocide and pour kerosene on the flames.

I think the 2 state solution is possibly dead in my life time and sadly by kids, if Israel can piss off a Pastor so much, god help any Israeli who wants peace your Government of all party's at the moment, not just Likud but the so called liberal opposition have just trebled the terrorists waiting to enact revenge.

If a Pastor does not want to hear of our freedoms and international laws, how are Hamas, Hezbollah, Palestinian Jihad and Iran going to act?
See by the USA, UK and the EU blocking ceasefires and allowing hospitals to be attacked, we have opened up Israel and our own civilians to the exact same and we have no where to turn.
We after WW1 and WW2 promised our veterans never again! We enacted the Nuremberg trials to provide genocide and war crimes where indefensible, we set up the Geneva convention and European Convention on Human Rights to enable these promises. BUT IT IS OUR WAR HAPPY POLITICIANS WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN TO WAR AND MOST THINK OF TWO WARS AND A WORLD FUCKING CUP who are happy to throw all this away to allow Israel to seek vengeance.

Fucking disgusting and worse seeing must Labour, LibDem, Tory and Jewish supporters stand and actively cheer and clap. But it is old school fucking socialists, neo-communists who are the bad guys for pointing this out.

I feel so sad that people like have learnt nothing, my grandfathers and great grandfathers will be spinning

BiscuitBiscuitBiscuit

ParentofanewPC · 01/01/2024 00:10

My final post

What the fuck has Israel been doing in the West Bank to turn a Christian Pastor, a religion based on forgiveness, to make that sermon where he says "THEY AND HE WILL NOT FORGIVE YOU"
Also "Where was I when Gaza was going through a genocide?"
Well for me I was emailing my MP, all party leaders, the Church of England and we as a family have instead of giving a weekly contribution to the church we no longer attend we have instead donate to MAP and once this genocide is over, we will continue to fund Palestine's future.

Sadly for most PP on here and this thread I believe you have cheered the genocide and pour kerosene on the flames.

I think the 2 state solution is possibly dead in my life time and sadly by kids, if Israel can piss off a Pastor so much, god help any Israeli who wants peace your Government of all party's at the moment, not just Likud but the so called liberal opposition have just trebled the terrorists waiting to enact revenge.

If a Pastor does not want to hear of our freedoms and international laws, how are Hamas, Hezbollah, Palestinian Jihad and Iran going to act?
See by the USA, UK and the EU blocking ceasefires and allowing hospitals to be attacked, we have opened up Israel and our own civilians to the exact same and we have no where to turn.
We after WW1 and WW2 promised our veterans never again! We enacted the Nuremberg trials to provide genocide and war crimes where indefensible, we set up the Geneva convention and European Convention on Human Rights to enable these promises. BUT IT IS OUR WAR HAPPY POLITICIANS WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN TO WAR AND MOST THINK OF TWO WARS AND A WORLD FUCKING CUP who are happy to throw all this away to allow Israel to seek vengeance.

Fucking disgusting and worse seeing must Labour, LibDem, Tory and Jewish supporters stand and actively cheer and clap. But it is old school fucking socialists, neo-communists who are the bad guys for pointing this out.

I feel so sad that people like have learnt nothing, my grandfathers and great grandfathers will be spinning

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BiscuitBiscuit

Girahim · 31/12/2023 23:47

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We are taking this down as it is not in the spirit of the site.

stomachameleon · 31/12/2023 23:45

So not your 'final post' then?

ParentofanewPC · 31/12/2023 23:40

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Girahim · 31/12/2023 23:25

I like dark souls. Dark Souls 3 is my favourite.

25milesfromhome · 31/12/2023 23:23

@ParentofanewPC If it looks like an antisemitic duck and quacks like an antisemitic duck…

And @Silence1 enjoy your NYE looking down on all the dark souls from your moral high ground.

stomachameleon · 31/12/2023 23:23

@Silence1 you started so well and then it all went down hill from there!

setsu · 31/12/2023 23:19

Silence1 · 31/12/2023 23:12

Anyone want to chat about this in an adult way? I could almost think you have all come alive to push it out of sight 😄Although kettle, pot and all that, I am off line now to celebrate the Ny . Hard to do with a clear conscience while Israel govt/IDF kills/starves/mutilates children and my Govt supports it.

Clearly a lot easier for many on this board with their dark souls. May the New Year bring light

Sorry no one responded to you in the twelve minutes since you posted that on new years eve. Must be out dark souls. 🙄

Silence1 · 31/12/2023 23:12

Silence1 · 31/12/2023 23:00

Totally wandering off topic but I was reading about the failure of the Abraham Accords in the Responsible Statescraft which I think is Socialist but happy to be corrected?
The AA's failure/non failure is being discussed now in various places. But pro Israel people on here have said Hamas wanted to disrupt Israel and Saudi relations = terrible whilst some say the AA actually led to where we are today.
I 've started to read around it I am not sure yet. More reading to do
Anyhow a socialist view on it
Forget 'peace,' did Abraham Accords set stage for Israel-Gaza conflict? | Responsible Statecraft

Anyone want to chat about this in an adult way? I could almost think you have all come alive to push it out of sight 😄Although kettle, pot and all that, I am off line now to celebrate the Ny . Hard to do with a clear conscience while Israel govt/IDF kills/starves/mutilates children and my Govt supports it.

Clearly a lot easier for many on this board with their dark souls. May the New Year bring light

stomachameleon · 31/12/2023 23:04

Biscuit x 10000

hogmanayhoolie · 31/12/2023 23:03

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Girahim · 31/12/2023 23:02

ParentofanewPC · 31/12/2023 05:19

My final post.

i am 55 years old, average education, 1 o level 3 CSE and 3 level 3 equal qualifications. But thanks to fate I have met some amazing people.
Like i said I met Gerry Adams and John Hume but I then worked with 2 ex British soldiers who served in Ulster in the troubles and I also knew 2 police officers who where either ex RUC or had been in Northern Ireland. All where decent humans who had different takes, but in the end peace came.

Because of my job I met a member of the Mengele family, yes his great uncle was the infamous Dr Death, he was delightful (I didn't know then he was related) and later in life as a governor of my kids village primary I helped arrange 4 different holocaust survivor's (3 Jewish and 1 Roma) to talk to the children plus 2 of them also came and spoke to my lad's rugby league team, all where amazing humans. I asked them privately about their feelings about my meeting with Mr Mengele and they said it was mixed. I won't say anymore because it was private conservation

I do know once thing, if Russian is wrong, then so is Israel. If all you Israeli supporters only want a safe and free Israel, you are going to be sadly wrong and totally heart broken, as the last 3 months has made the next 2 generations of Hamas radicals in front of our faces.

Rev Munther Isaac said " Gaza today has become the moral compass of the world, Gaza was hell before October 7th and the world was silent. should we be surprised that they are silent now? If you are not appalled by what is happening in Gaza, if you are not shaken to your core, there is something wrong with your humanity. And if we as Christians are not outraged by genocide, by the weaponisation of the Bible to justify it, there is something wrong with our Christian witness and we are compromising the credibility of our Gospel message. If you fail to call this a genocide that is on you. It is a sin and a darkness you willingly embrace

In our pain, anguish and lament, we have searched for God and found him under the rubble in Gaza. Jesus became the victim of the very same violence of the Empire. He was tortured. Crucified. He bled out as others watched. He was killed and cried out in pain: MY GOD WHERE ARE YOU? In Gaza today, God is under the rubble

And in this Christmas season,as we search for Jesus. he is to found not on the side of Rome, but our side of wall _ in a cave, with a simple family. Vulnerable. Barely and miraculously surviving a massacre. among a refugee family. This is where Jesus is found

When we glorify pride and richness, Jesus is under the rubble.when we rely on power, might and weapons, Jesus is under the rubble. When we justify, rationalise and theologize the bombing of children, Jesus is under the rubble.

This is his manger. He is at home with the marginalized, the suffering, the oppressed and the displaced. This is his manger. It's a manger that is about resilience. The resilience of Jesus is in his meekness, weakness and vulnerability. The majesty of the incarnation lies in its solidarity with marginalized.

It's resilient because this very same child rose up from the midst of pain, destruction, darkness and death to challenge empires, to speak truth to power and deliver an everlasting victory over death and darkness. I was in the United States just after Thanksgiving ans I was amazed at the amount of Christmas decorations and lights and all the commercial goods. I COULDN'T HELP BUT THINK: THEY SING ABOUT THE PRINCE OF PEACE IN OUR LAND WHILE THEY PLAYING THE DRUM OF WAR IN OUR LAND.

This is our message to the world today. It is a gospel message, a true and authentic Christmas message, about God who did not stay silent but sent his Word,and his Word is Jesus, born among the occupied and marginalized. He is in solidarity with us in our pain and Brokenness"

There is more like

"To our European friends, I never ever want to hear you lecture us on human rights or international law again. And I mean this. We are not white I guess, it does not apply to us according to your logic. In this war, many Christians and the Western World made sure the Empire has the thelogy needed. It is thus self-defence,we were told and I continue to ask, how was the killing of 9000 children self defence? How was the displacement of 1.9 million Palestinians self defence?"

or maybe
" In the shadow of the Empire, they turned the coloniser into the victim and the colonised into the aggressor. have we forgotten? Have we forgotten that the state they talk off, is a state that was built on the ruins of the towns and villages of those very same Gazans. Have they forgot that? We are outraged by the complicity of the church. Let it be clear friends. silence is complicity and empty calls for peace without a ceasefire and end to occupation and the shallow words of empathy without direct action, all under the banner of complicity"

So sorry if I have upset so many of you, but the SWP report linked earlier is the closest press report to anyone Rev Isaac said or requested from his fellow Christians and decent human beings.
So I will take all your insults and attacks and after spending the 1st 6 weeks emailing my MP (Tory but admitted I had raised numerous correct points) and all party leaders, I fell silent in despair, but if by sticking my head up to be shot at by the Empire, Rev Isaac mentions leads to readers of this thread seeing his words then so be it.

Please watch it on X(twitter) or Youtube it is about 18 minutes in total and made my family cry.
I would rather stand at the side of, and die defending, the Reverend Munther Isaac then be on the side most of this threads posters and the Western World and governments. If that makes me Anti-Semitic or a groomed terrorist well so be it, i will be happy to explain to my maker when the grim reaper knocks.

Good night,
Happy new year.
It won't be in Gaza or the West Bank, remember that as you all get drunk and congratulate yourselves tonight, 2024 could be the most dangerous year for us all since 1938/9

My final post.

Well that was a fucking lie.

Silence1 · 31/12/2023 23:00

Totally wandering off topic but I was reading about the failure of the Abraham Accords in the Responsible Statescraft which I think is Socialist but happy to be corrected?
The AA's failure/non failure is being discussed now in various places. But pro Israel people on here have said Hamas wanted to disrupt Israel and Saudi relations = terrible whilst some say the AA actually led to where we are today.
I 've started to read around it I am not sure yet. More reading to do
Anyhow a socialist view on it
Forget 'peace,' did Abraham Accords set stage for Israel-Gaza conflict? | Responsible Statecraft

Forget 'peace,' did Abraham Accords set stage for Israel-Gaza conflict?

Almost every assumption that undergirded the Israel-Arab normalization agreements was disastrously wrong, and now we are paying the price.

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/abraham-accords-peace-middle-east/

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