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Scirocco · 02/01/2024 07:07

I think part of the problem with the terms Zionism and Zionist is that they've been co-opted as shorthand for a particular type of approach and philosophy, so people use them in that way without considering what they actually mean and how that might feel to other people.

I really think people need better education about diversity of faith and culture, to put poorly written and prejudiced rags in the bin where they belong, and to stop getting their history and politics lessons from bloody Tiktok and Instagram.

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Trulywonderful · 02/01/2024 03:55

Plus what is it with their love of the word Zionism

A Zionist is literally a person that thinks Israel has the right to exsist and Jewish people should be also have the right to self determine like everyone else. That is basic Zionism. Nothing nasty or sneaky. There are different types of Zionism but these people are not being specific.

Therefore they are basically referring to most the world Jews like we all are Israeli or something to do with the Israeli government most the time they use the word. I can't think a single other group of people that have to put up with that type of racism from people that say they are anti racist.

Some mumsnet users are guilty of this too. I have no idea if the just write Zionist because they are too lazy to be specific or don't understand what the word means or don't believe Jewish people should self determine or don't believe Israel should exsist or just being racist. Whatever the reason I pretty much just checkout and don't take the user very seriously once they say Zionist or Zionism in a post because they are majority of the time using the word in the wrong context or have not been specific about what type of Zionism.

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Trulywonderful · 02/01/2024 03:42

Well if young people have been reading this type of rewrite of facts about what the Intifardas were then no wonder they are calling for a global intifada on the streets of London at protests. Seriously this lot of very far left fuckwits are dangerous. I get it they support Gaza but plenty of people manage to do that without promoting the idea of more intifada. These people are the opposite of the anti war stuff they pretend to support.

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Scirocco · 01/01/2024 21:15

@setsu if someone has made an incorrect guess about something, it's not unusual to attempt to clarify that with the person, and the site does have a private message system which seems to be used reasonably frequently by people across the site. Whether someone chooses to read a message is up to them. If you have an issue with the site having a private message system, I suggest taking that up with the site's admin.

setsu · 01/01/2024 21:11

Scirocco · 01/01/2024 21:08

@Trulywonderful , oh well. I sent you a message clarifying my initial thoughts on those articles and if you choose to read it or not is up to you.

Sort of defeats the purpose of a discussion forum.

Scirocco · 01/01/2024 21:08

@Trulywonderful , oh well. I sent you a message clarifying my initial thoughts on those articles and if you choose to read it or not is up to you.

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Trulywonderful · 01/01/2024 21:02

Scirocco · 01/01/2024 20:55

No you aren't, and if someone else wants to know what I think, I'll happily message them to tell them.

@Trulywonderful I'll message you separately as you're incorrect with your guess.

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Just to say as some posters here obviously realise if tried it before. I don't use private messages. I believe that everything should be open and out there. As you can probably tell if you have noticed me on other threads having little chats with people. It is just my own way not to use private messages and I don't judge anyone else doing it plus realise sometimes it can be necessary.

Sorry if I have you wrong but you don't need to explain to me. I am just a random stranger after all

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stomachameleon · 01/01/2024 20:56

Sure no problem.

Scirocco · 01/01/2024 20:55

stomachameleon · 01/01/2024 20:44

I am not the only person here.

No you aren't, and if someone else wants to know what I think, I'll happily message them to tell them.

@Trulywonderful I'll message you separately as you're incorrect with your guess.

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Trulywonderful · 01/01/2024 20:55

I know on mumsnet the op can add a poll

However I think this thread needs a naughty step for one poster earlier on in the thread. Plus a system where we have an automatic cut off of how many negative interactions two posters can have with each other. Frankly it is not healthy for anyone after a point.

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Girahim · 01/01/2024 20:53

Scirocco · 01/01/2024 20:40

I've already explained I have no desire to discuss that with you as I don't think your intentions there would be genuine.

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So stop posting on the thread It's not mandatory.

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Trulywonderful · 01/01/2024 20:48

Agree to disagree perhaps

I don't think this is going anywhere really

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Trulywonderful · 01/01/2024 20:46

stomachameleon · 01/01/2024 20:36

And no answer on why you decided not to comment on the actual thread.

Who is doing the killing? The IDF seem to be primarily responsible for firing the weapons killing Palestinian children.

I think if I was making an educated guess you got your answer on why. I presume by this the reason they are posting here, to say this

Could be wrong but both of you continue by all means

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stomachameleon · 01/01/2024 20:44

I am not the only person here.

Scirocco · 01/01/2024 20:40

stomachameleon · 01/01/2024 20:36

And no answer on why you decided not to comment on the actual thread.

I've already explained I have no desire to discuss that with you as I don't think your intentions there would be genuine.

Scirocco · 01/01/2024 20:40

stomachameleon · 01/01/2024 20:35

was correcting what I consider to have been an incorrect statement that 'Nobody here' has condoned the killing of Palestinian children and that 'every poster' has condemned the actions of the Israeli government and military.

Your quote love...

Ah, that should be incorrect statements. The statements being 'Nobody here...' and 'every poster...'.

stomachameleon · 01/01/2024 20:36

And no answer on why you decided not to comment on the actual thread.

stomachameleon · 01/01/2024 20:35

was correcting what I consider to have been an incorrect statement that 'Nobody here' has condoned the killing of Palestinian children and that 'every poster' has condemned the actions of the Israeli government and military.

Your quote love...

Scirocco · 01/01/2024 20:26

stomachameleon · 01/01/2024 20:08

@Scirocco would leads me to wonder why you wouldn't lead with that.... discussing the thread title?

In a sea of double negatives I am not sure who is condoning what and who is or isn't doing what your accusing Them of.....

Struggling to see a sea of double negatives, but if you point them out to me I can correct them if needed. I've come off a 48 hour shift at work so may be a bit sleep-deprived still.

Who is condoning? Some posters on this site.
What are they condoning? The killing of Palestinian children.
Who is doing the killing? The IDF seem to be primarily responsible for firing the weapons killing Palestinian children.

stomachameleon · 01/01/2024 20:08

@Scirocco would leads me to wonder why you wouldn't lead with that.... discussing the thread title?

In a sea of double negatives I am not sure who is condoning what and who is or isn't doing what your accusing Them of.....

Scirocco · 01/01/2024 19:32

@Girahim , I actually did want to discuss the socialist worker paper, which was why I clicked on the thread. However, I have no burning desire to engage in that discussion with someone whose intentions would likely be an attempt to twist anything said.

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Trulywonderful · 01/01/2024 19:24

At the top it says "A socialist worker pamphlet" I don't think you can see it clearly here

I can honestly say this pamphlet DOES NOT REPRESENT all socialists and neither does the articles in the vile newsletter from the very far gone left

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Girahim · 01/01/2024 19:22

Scirocco · 01/01/2024 18:12

I would have thought it was pretty clear that, rather than a diatribe, I was correcting what I consider to have been an incorrect statement that 'Nobody here' has condoned the killing of Palestinian children and that 'every poster' has condemned the actions of the Israeli government and military.

Do I have anything I want to say about the Socialist Worker articles? Yes, but I suspect you have no genuine desire to actually discuss it and would instead just try to find something in my words to which you could take offence. I'll save my criticisms of that paper for discussions with the organisers of our local protests, with whom I have already raised my concerns.

If you don't want to discuss the socialist worker paper then maybe don't click on a thread about the socialist worker paper.

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Trulywonderful · 01/01/2024 19:19

'Resistance', it was being given out at marches and protests

I don't think I what to know what this contains, the title of the booklet is at least a warning to others of content.

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Scirocco · 01/01/2024 18:12

I would have thought it was pretty clear that, rather than a diatribe, I was correcting what I consider to have been an incorrect statement that 'Nobody here' has condoned the killing of Palestinian children and that 'every poster' has condemned the actions of the Israeli government and military.

Do I have anything I want to say about the Socialist Worker articles? Yes, but I suspect you have no genuine desire to actually discuss it and would instead just try to find something in my words to which you could take offence. I'll save my criticisms of that paper for discussions with the organisers of our local protests, with whom I have already raised my concerns.

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