I feel sick (serious trigger warning)

I don’t know how there can be peace when Hamas says they want to perpetuate their war crimes over and over again.

as a thought experiment, Israel lays down arms immediately and pulls every soldier back from Gaza; what do you think happens?

I don’t think a single hostage would be released in this scenario. I think bombs would continue to be directed at Israel from all sides of their borders. And I think Hamas would regroup, steal more aid money, and plan more terrorist attacks to kill more Jews.

I think people calling got a ceasefire are really just calling for Israel never to fight back and accept the slaughter of their people. I wonder how dead Israelis is enough.

It is possible to acknowledge and feel sick about what happened to those poor women on 7 October and also to feel sickened by what is being done in Gaza, to feel it is unjustified (and entirely counterproductive in trying to stop terrorism given the hatred it will generate). There are many threads talking about the horrors in Gaza, why does this thread need to be derailed? Is it because people can only see in black and white and don’t want to acknowledge that the Israelis do face a very real threat from Gaza? I’ve always been very critical of Israel’s actions in Palestine but I guess I understand a little more now why - although the actions of the settlers or the extent of civilian death can never be justified. Feeling desperately sorry for those affected in the October 7 doesn’t stop you feeling desperately sorry for the Gazans too, you know?

This. If OJ was as principled as he assures us then there wouldn't have been any problem with unequivocally condemning what happened on 7/10 without the full smorgasbord of "but", "need even more evidence" caveats. I mean, he went to an actual screening of what happened that day FFS.

Why isn’t OJ being cancelled?

Frankly you can do what you like but you are looking like a total fuckwit for doing it on this thread about this topic

Just so you are clear about that and how whenever readers see your username from now on they will remember you from this. Therefore you have seriously devalued and serious information or facts or opinion you post. Readers will now only see you as as having no empathy and very serious bias. So not listen to a word you post.

However knock yourself out with saying genocide and acting like a bit of an arse
on this thread honey

I am also against the bombing of Palestine but I think this thread should be about the women who suffered. It is disrespectful to everyone suffering on both sides to bicker when tragedies like this are happening. We're all human. We can all take a moment to react with humanity.

Didn't take long. Shameful behaviour

I read your link - the reporting of these awful unforgivable events will stick in my mind, as have the other reports I've read of the attacks on that day. They are inexcusable and beyond anything imaginable.

But where does this leave me? I am equally as upset by the images and descriptions of civilian suffering in Palestine. Lives destroyed and young children wiped out as their lives are barely beginning. I do not believe that every single Palestinian person is a Hamas supporter or is hiding a Hamas recruit.

I am appalled by the atrocities committed against Israelis on 7 October but also appalled by attacks on Palestinian civilians especially children.
Does that make me a Hamas supporter? I was disgusted to be accused of this recently because I could not agree that every Palestinian deserved to die.

I pray for peace which I also realise is an impossibility.

Hamas is a death cult and they are sacrificing the civilians of Gaza. All the deaths since October 7 are on them.

The Hamas spokesperson says it themself, “We love death as you love life”. Link from a Palestinian who just wants peace btw: https://twitter.com/aziz0nomics/status/1741032486925205698

Redslodges I don’t know any Palestinians. The Jewish people I have met have been lovely. I just can’t bare what is happening in Palestine. My children are half Arab, looking at the pictures coming in it could be my children under the rubble.

It's honestly shameful.

Utterly horrific beyond words. Those poor women.

Who are these people afraid of exactly? The big bad Jewish people who control the world? 🤔

Wonder if you know any Palestinians or Jewish people or have ever travelled to the area? I would recommend stepping outside of your own echo chamber.

I can imagine because Giraffe wasn't on the thread when people posted those things but once she was she saw they were addressed

The other posted I imagine is like most the rest of us and can't be arsed with people coming on a thread set up to talk about a set topic and whatabouting it because they don't like people talking about that topic, as it doesn't suit their own narrative of everything that has happened

I see the usual derail tactics are being applied.

Trulywonderful I will scream it from the roof tops, Israel is committing genocide. I will never be quiet as long as the bombs keep dropping.

So start another thread about that.

Or add to the existing ones

Imagine coming onto this thread to play "what about" over such despicable acts of terrorism

Why would you do that, I wonder

Israel has sent thousands of soldiers into Palestinian peace festivals and homes in order to rape, murder and mutilate children?
No, they haven't.

There's a multitude of other threads to make your views on that known. You know fine well this is derailing and given the subject of the thread, is appalling.

Are you literally just trying to see how many posts in a row you can say the word Genocide now

Look I just highlighted the word for you. Can that save us all at least a couple of posts where you don't use the word

No there isn't.

I don't care if I get deleted but you absolutely disgust me. How dare you deny these horrors.

No they haven't.

VisitationRights, genocide is not killing 1200 people in a one off attack, nor a former charter by a terrorist organisation with limited power. The right wing government that Israeli voted in that has declared there will be no two state solution that is currently destroying Gaza , murdering thousands of civilians. Intent on forced ethnic clensing. Making their small piece of land inhabitable. They have unlimited military supplies. This is genocide.

Can the whatabouters, derailers and rape apologist trot off this thread please.