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I feel sick (serious trigger warning)

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Solaris89 · 29/12/2023 14:39

All things considered, this is the worst thing I’ve ever read (and I’ve studied a lot of history).

Seriously, if you are a survivor of SA it’s probably best you do not read this article.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-harrowing-detail-nyt-shows-weaponization-of-rape-sexual-violence-during-oct-7/

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IrresponsiblyCertainAboutSexualDimorphism · 30/12/2023 13:03

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What? Are you actually serious? Do you know no history at all?

Trulywonderful · 30/12/2023 13:01

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Where the heck do you get your information from. You seriously think Israel isn't suffering from the near constant rockets fired at Israel since they started on 7th October. That was before Israel fired a single thing at Gaza. Hamas broke the ceasefire that had been happening there first during their pogrom. Israelis are still hostages in Gaza, more than 100 men, women and children. Israelis around 250k in the north alone have had to leave there homes for safety. Families have 18/19 year old children that are expected to serve in the IDF as compulsory service unless Arab. These child are in danger and many have died.
Not to mention that Israelis are still in trauma from the pogrom and the world reaction to all this. Everyone is suffering but you feel that because the deaths are not equal Gazens can only be spoken about.

If we expand away from this current conflict the evidence of Arab violence and hate towards the Jewish people on the land both before and after 1948 is quite something. Basically if you don't know and understand the history of the land pre 1948 including the regular riots and massacres of Jews then you really should not speak to me about what I can comprehend or compare the pogrom too. The 7th October was not the only pogrom of Jews to have happened on the land. There is evidence and photos of Arabs doing very similar torture, rape and murder of Jewish people on the land pre 1948. So sod right off with what you think is going on in the middle east at the moment. The pogrom literally proves that Israel was right to declare itself a state and that it has been trying to keep Jewish people safe for years. I don't think anyone will deny its methods are often questionable or not right. However people like yourself prefer dead good Jews to those that prefer to stay alive. Lets be honest that is why you probably still do the holocaust remembrance day. It is all beyond hypocritical!

basculin · 30/12/2023 12:42

Happygocookie · 30/12/2023 11:10

Ah so the creation of Israel in 1948 didn’t start this?
As the UN Secretary-General said, recent events haven’t happened in a vacuum.

Are you saying you don't think Israel should exist?

thankyouforthedayz · 30/12/2023 12:42

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This post is not about what Israel are doing. It is not the atrocity olympics. It is about the unadulterated evil of HAMAS on 7th October. There are other places to discuss Israel's response. Why are you looking the other way instead of facing what HAMAS did to defenceless Jewish women and people that day?

noblegiraffe · 30/12/2023 12:39

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Apart from the ongoing plight of the hostages, you mean? And those people who were murdered in Jerusalem by Hamas during the ceasefire in November? And the impact of the rockets being fired into Israel and the Israeli’s displaced?

And the constant attacks and killings before October 7th? Do you think October 7th was a one-off? Where are you getting your incredibly one-sided information from?

VisitationRights · 30/12/2023 12:39

No, the creation of Israel didn’t start this, people in the region have been trying to kill the Jews for the past 5000 years.

stomachameleon · 30/12/2023 12:38

And another for the 'it all started in 1948' rewriters of history.

www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/israel-arab-conflicts-creation-state-israel

TriOptimim · 30/12/2023 12:37

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Are you that dismissive of all massacres that happen on one day? 9/11? So what, it was one day why fixate on it. Kristallnacht? It was over in a night and the deathtoll of WW2 was much higher so stop talking about it.

stomachameleon · 30/12/2023 12:37

www.heyalma.com/israel-guide/history-of-israel-palestine-before-1948/

Just in case anyone is interested....

stomachameleon · 30/12/2023 12:35

@TwilightSkies is this thread really the right place to echo what you have said on 2739 other threads.
This thread.

UsualChaos · 30/12/2023 12:32

Happygocookie · 30/12/2023 11:10

Ah so the creation of Israel in 1948 didn’t start this?
As the UN Secretary-General said, recent events haven’t happened in a vacuum.

Absolutely

TwilightSkies · 30/12/2023 12:30

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Trulywonderful · 30/12/2023 12:29

Anyway after all that derailing, sorry if I was part of that.

I simply ca not imagine what these journalists have to go through when they look through all the evidence of the pogrom. The video shown to most the media sounds bad enough. I couldn't do there job that's for sure

stomachameleon · 30/12/2023 12:27

@doubleshift I think that makes you normal tbh.

noblegiraffe · 30/12/2023 12:27

It is perfectly possible to be critical of Israel and appalled by what is going on in Gaza and to be disgusted and horrified by the incredibly upsetting reports of what Hamas did on October 7th and the continued plight of the hostages.

Trulywonderful · 30/12/2023 12:25

TwilightSkies · 30/12/2023 12:23

Because currently it is fashionable to be critical of everything Israel does and deny most of what Hamas have done and said.

Fashionable??? Really?
Nothing to do with the FACT that the Israeli government and IDF are genocidal maniacs?? How many Palestinian people have been murdered so far? Last I heard the figure was around 30,000 although there’s so many under rubble that it’s impossible to get an accurate number.

Yes fashionable to be only about to think about one side of the conflict and be obsessed with what is happening to only one side

Case in point proven because you couldn't even read and understand my post properly

TwilightSkies · 30/12/2023 12:23

Because currently it is fashionable to be critical of everything Israel does and deny most of what Hamas have done and said.

Fashionable??? Really?
Nothing to do with the FACT that the Israeli government and IDF are genocidal maniacs?? How many Palestinian people have been murdered so far? Last I heard the figure was around 30,000 although there’s so many under rubble that it’s impossible to get an accurate number.

Trulywonderful · 30/12/2023 12:18

Barbadossunset · 30/12/2023 12:02

This. If OJ was as principled as he assures us then there wouldn't have been any problem with unequivocally condemning what happened on 7/10 without the full smorgasbord of "but", "need even more evidence" caveats. I mean, he went to an actual screening of what happened that day FFS.

Why isn’t OJ being cancelled?

Because currently it is fashionable to be critical of everything Israel does and deny most of what Hamas have done and said. It doesn't matter what the evidence either way guilty or not guilty they don't want to here it anyway. They just want to hear vile idiots like OJ that say what they want to hear.

runningpram · 30/12/2023 12:18

I would say the newspaper investigation into this was pain staking and excellent. Imagine if they had got a detail wrong. It would have been used by some to discredit every other accurate detail. They do not deserve criticism for taking time to conduct such extensive reporting.

Trulywonderful · 30/12/2023 12:12

doubleshift · 30/12/2023 11:55

I read your link - the reporting of these awful unforgivable events will stick in my mind, as have the other reports I've read of the attacks on that day. They are inexcusable and beyond anything imaginable.

But where does this leave me? I am equally as upset by the images and descriptions of civilian suffering in Palestine. Lives destroyed and young children wiped out as their lives are barely beginning. I do not believe that every single Palestinian person is a Hamas supporter or is hiding a Hamas recruit.

I am appalled by the atrocities committed against Israelis on 7 October but also appalled by attacks on Palestinian civilians especially children.
Does that make me a Hamas supporter? I was disgusted to be accused of this recently because I could not agree that every Palestinian deserved to die.

I pray for peace which I also realise is an impossibility.

I think it leaves you as someone like the rest of us, just trying to digest everything that has happened and is happening

Not sure why you have mentioned being accused of being a Hamas support but that is just another BUT on this thread in a post it seems.

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Solaris89 · 30/12/2023 12:10

Very sad to see this thread get de-railed by the pro-Hamas rabble and rape apologists. Very sad and disgusted.

But what I find most egregious is people commenting who don’t know the first thing about the history of this conflict (but claim to!), placing all the blame on one party - Israel - and ignoring and/or rationalising the violence of the other side. Ahistorical, mendacious nonsense. While Israelis are very tough negotiators, at least historically they have been pragmatic and interested in solutions. Palestinians and Arab leaders take no responsibility for the disaster they have brought on their own people, both by the ineptness of their leadership and the autocracy and corruption of their governments.

Women, children and men were brutally raped, tortured and some even mutilated (in the genital region) on Oct 7th. Hostages are still going through it! For them Oct 7th never ended. I’ll never understand why ALL women can’t just condone what Hamas did - where is your humanity FGS?

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Trulywonderful · 30/12/2023 12:08

backtowinter · 30/12/2023 12:04

Looking at some of the pictures it could be my DC butchered and mutilated with civilians dancing around their bodies

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We basically just posted the same thing at the same time

A hug from myself to you. I don't think some people realised the trauma or the impact that this has caused on anyone other than Gazens/arabs or at least that is what it feels like sometimes

Trulywonderful · 30/12/2023 12:04

headstone · 30/12/2023 11:52

Redslodges I don’t know any Palestinians. The Jewish people I have met have been lovely. I just can’t bare what is happening in Palestine. My children are half Arab, looking at the pictures coming in it could be my children under the rubble.

Looking at the images and videos I have seen it could have been my Jewish daughter that was kidnapped, murdered, tortured or/and raped

See how this worked you are not the only one with any connection to what happened and judging by what you just wrote most of us have way more connection to what happened than yourself. So try to have some empathy for these women and girls plus stop derailing the thread

backtowinter · 30/12/2023 12:04

headstone · 30/12/2023 11:52

Redslodges I don’t know any Palestinians. The Jewish people I have met have been lovely. I just can’t bare what is happening in Palestine. My children are half Arab, looking at the pictures coming in it could be my children under the rubble.

Looking at some of the pictures it could be my DC butchered and mutilated with civilians dancing around their bodies

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