I feel sick (serious trigger warning)

Such terrible inhumanity on both sides

People don't seem to comprehend that some of us are dealing with generational trauma

Some of us were heard about the Holocaust from parents or grandparents that experienced it first hand

Some of us now have to be grateful that are parents or grandparents are dead and have not had to hear about the pogrom or see the rise in antisemitism lately

Some of us now as Jewish women are very aware that these men would not think twice but to do the same thing to ourselves and our daughters

On top of all that we are hurting like everyone else for the victims of the pogrom and the hostages that have been and are been abused.

I hear you Purple and only wish more people would hear us all and understand the emotions feeling at this time. That they would stop any denial or whataboutism and just people let people express how they feel

Oh I didn't know that.

I don't look at private messages much and had not clocked that.

So how exactly is starting a thread about rapes and sexual assaults goady?

I don't think that the people going on protest matches for Palestinians quite understand that Hamas would do exactly what they did to those women (and men) at the festival to anyone of the people so gamely marching on their behalf in London if they felt like it and could get away with it, egged on by all their repugnant mates with their ill-education and poorly developed minds.

Yes you have

I have actually reported several threads and posters on these threads to the CST, Prevent, and the police. MNHQ doesn't seem to want to do anything about the virulent anti-Semitism on here, but those organisations are very interested in what's going on here.

The feelings this article gives me as a Jewish woman and mother of a Jewish daughter are visceral and impossible to explain with words.

It is an echo of the Holocaust.

A very loud echo.

I have wept and raged for these women every day since October 7.

I have no words adequate for my fury and sadness.

@Trulywonderful if you are reporting them chances are the original posts will be In your outbox. They are in mine.

I can't even remember to proof read my posts. So the chances of me remembering to take a screenshot of the worst posts is like zero

I just report them straight to the counter terrorism unit (Joking)

@Trulywonderful I think it's important to record them. For lots of reasons.

There's plenty of evidence as to the content of the deleted posts on here in the form of the horrified responses to them.

Not really that odd. It is something we spoke about on an antisemitism thread.
We kept getting people on thec thread posters saying where is the evidence after posts that someone was talking about was deleted

However if we were to try and show evidence of a deleted post then we would likely be breaking mumsnet rules. They would have deleted the post because it breaches the rules

So we are caught between a rock and a hard place

Really? That’s a bit… odd.

Some of us have spoken before about getting people to do screenshot of the really bad posts they are deleted. To use as evidence these things have been said. However mumsnet would likely ban us for posting the screenshot of deleted posts on a thread. Therefore it is rather an annoying situation.

I think the fact it was mainly women and girls too

So many men out there that stay silent on these crimes at the best of times

You then throw Jewish people into the mix, especially Israelis (Even though they were not all Jewish or Israeli)

I noticed during covid when I used to do twitter the treatment Jewish women got was horrible. Yes certain types go after Jewish men on twitter. However the way they go after Jewish women was way worse, really nasty and vicious on another level. I notice this with famous Jewish women in the media too. They seem to be hounded in a way the men are not.

I care, and am appalled. Those articles are too hard to read properly.

One would have to be inhuman not to care about the suffering of civilians: to dismiss it because of the actions of the Israeli government is beyond comprehension.

Some posters on this thread appear to have lost their humanity, or worse.

It’s almost a shame they were deleted - it makes them too easy to deny.

None of this means I am not also horrified by the suffering in Gaza.

l am hoping that this is just clumsy wording. These are real people we are talking about. Not just numbers, a tally, a score. By either "side". The nature of the crime against women and girls is (was) the focus on this thread.

It is pretty unbelievable and shocking that someone would post on MN denying the rapes of October 7th, and someone else would say that Israel was only attacked on one day so not that bad, and yet this thread has had it all.

Wrong thread.

Are you saying you didn't choose that wording to express disbelief

No I’m not saying that. I’m saying I wasn’t aware of the posts because they were deleted before I read the thread.

No amount of deaths can make up for what happened on October 7th.

Absolutely silent. Too many people simply don't care what happened to Jewish people. All they care about are Palestinians.