WHY!!!

The posts on here justifying war and downplaying over 20,000 people being killed a large amount of them being innocent children says all you want about humanity OP.

I've just seen that my post was deleted. All I said was the truth which is easily accessible to anyone? It isn't a secret how many people were killed. Its reported widely at this point. I'd love if whoever reported it could let me know why you chose to report my post?

Edited to add this is an article about the baby who was sadly killed by Hamas. What I said was true, she was killed by gunshot https://www.timesofisrael.com/yona-ohad-mila-cohen-73-43-10-months-three-generations-slain/

You % survival calculations are absolute nonsense, you should be measuring % survival by the population of Israel not festival attendees or kibbutz residents

Well, yes, except that Israel has had 3 months to wipe out the civilian population of Gaza, if that was really their intention, as stated so often and widely accepted without question here on MN.

Whereas Hamas and ordinary Gazan civilians had just a tiny window of opportunity on 7 October, and what they achieved was... let's say, impressive 😶

@stomachamaleon in 2007 the Christian community in Gaza was 3000.
Many moved away to other countries once the blockade In Gaza was imposed

That article is from the 12th if October. It also says that the 'death toll surpassed more than 1300'. On the the 12th of October people were still insisting that there were 40 beheaded babies and babies baked in ovens too. More up to date articles will give you more accurate news.

As nobody knows what happened to Kfir Bibas that stat wouldn't be included.

@BigandBeefy seems more than that...

www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahus-office-releases-horrifying-images-of-infants-murdered-by-hamas/

Is that Including kfir Bibas too?

And that's all without (as it's Christmas Day) the ethnic cleaning of Christians from Gaza. The ancient community is oppressed and almost extinct. The war Hamas started is against Christians, Muslims and all Jews. It is a war on all humanity.

The Christian population in Gaza in 2005 was over 5,000 when Hamas took over. Do you know what it is now?

Christians in Israel on the other hand have steadily increased since.

Hamas could just give the hostages back and disarm, and the war would be over.

Indeed very naive. Just wander into Russia amd up to Putin bypassing all bodyguards, soldiers and other supporters 😳 or do various countries launch war against Russia. Millions will be slaughtered making Gaza small in comparison. Nuclear weapons anyone, Russia have them as do the west

Putin for example, why can’t the richest countries just arrest him? They have the means to. Infact they actually have enough weapons to just wipe the guy out but they won’t. And we all just accept that. People are dying!

What if Putin's in the right and the rest of us are wrong? What makes you so sure the rich West would be morally correct to wipe out the leader of another nation.

What if Putin and his allies are correct and the rest of us are wrong and he is currently collaborating to wipe out our leaders?

Would that be Ok?

@Mrsmulhern

Putin for example, why can’t the richest countries just arrest him? They have the means to. Infact they actually have enough weapons to just wipe the guy out but they won’t. And we all just accept that. People are dying!

This is incredibly naive, so childishly naive I wonder if you might even be a troll.

We'd have to invade Russia to stand a chance of arresting Putin... And Putin's Russia has 1,000s of intercontinental ballistic nuclear missiles...

So yes, we could "wipe out Putin", but only as the cost of wiping of most of humanity in the process! We'd crest something literally a million times worse than what's currently happening in Ukraine.

The reasons there are wars are many. In WWII Germany started taking over lots of neighbouring countries, then France and then was coming for the UK. We defended ourselves. Hamas chose to murder 1200 Israelis including slitting the throats of babies. Israel had to defend itself. Pakistan in 2023 is expelling 1.7 Afghanis partly because of the activities of fundamentalist Islamic terrorists of the Parkistan Taliban and the fact Afghanistan appears to support them.

Most countries do not rush to war but it is the reason we in the West have nuclear weapons and a strong army - that we will use that to defend our interests. Most people in the UK are not pacifists and support the right of nations to defend themselves.

The proper way to count the civilian deaths in Israel caused by Hamas is 1,147 out of a population of 9.2 million.

Yes I watched this sermon as well.

You are definitely not a statistician. Your survival % are rubbish. You can’t measure genocide based on the number killed or survived in a single attack in a small location. You have also have no idea what the definition of genocide of genocidal intent is.

Sorry, but that was a massacre, it was not a genocide because there was no intent to kill a people in whole or part, nor was there any distinguishing between different peoples killed. The terrorists massacred festival goers regardless of race, religion or nationality. In addition, Israeli news reported that their own intelligence has concluded that Hamas did not know about the festival before coming upon it during the attack, so there can have been no intent per the definition either as intent covers a sort of pre-planned deliberate state of mind.

That’s why no one has called it a genocide, because it doesn’t even remotely fit the definition.

You % survival calculations are absolute nonsense, you should be measuring % survival by the population of Israel not festival attendees or kibbutz residents.

You are just showing how bad war is as the attack on Nova was part of a war.

That’s why it was a war crime

The horrors of war are not reasons for more war or a defence of continuing a war.

I could just as easily post pictures of the pregnant women shot and then run over by bulldozers in Gaza while waving white flags and trying to get to a hospital. Or the decomposing bodies of the babies that IDF let die after forcing everyone to leave a hospital at gunpoint and then occupying it as a military base. Those too are horrors of war that are also war crimes.

All your posts show is how we should all be afraid of war, which means the OP’s cry of “Why” is all the more poignant and important. It’s what the majority of people feel when they look at war. It’s why war is one of the horsemen of the apocalypse.

@Pizdietz I suppose you have conveniently forgotten all the genocidal intent expressed by Netanyahu and others in government?

Your posts minimising what is happening in Gaza actually make me feel sick with how disengaged from the pain of the Palestinians some can be. So devoid of basic humanity. And at this point in the war there's not much that is posted which I find shocking or repelling so that's saying something

I would join them, as I am doing. Why do you ask?

You can’t think that Jews are not among the protestors all around the world marching against the war in Gaza or Ukraine or elsewhere?

If you are not appalled by what is happening in Gaza, there is something wrong with your humanity. We the Palestinian people will recover. But for those who are complicit, I feel sorry for you. Will you ever recover from this?
We will not accept your apology after the Genocide
I want you to look at the mirror and ask, where was I when Gaza was going through a genocide?

A message from Reverend Munther Isaac from Palestine this christmas
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1QdQe2IYpE/?igsh=dnV3MW0weXYzbXhs

Yes, that's true. But in terms of measuring the ferocity of attacks, and genocidal intention, I think it's worth considering this to get some idea of the threat Israel is actually facing. On MN, there is a prevailing impression that something vaguely bad happened on 7 October and everything since then has been a massive overreaction, motivated purely by... oh I don't know, take your pick: contempt for "brown people" (as though Israelis aren't "brown"!), greed for profits from the sale of arms, general warmongering malicious behaviour from those privileged nasty Jews, etc.

Yes it certainly is
Aswell as the disgusting minimising of what is happening in Gaza