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Conflict in the Middle East

WHY!!!

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Mrsmulhern · 25/12/2023 03:32

Literally, just WHY!! Like I just don’t get war/conflict and when I’ve had conversations with people their answer is well, it’s because of something that happened years ago, or religion.

I mean why as human beings can we not just put an end to everything!! And if your answer is well we don’t want ‘terrorists’.. Literally 99 percent of humans do not want that either.
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I genuinely feel like I’m going insane, why is nobody questioning any war, anywhere?! WHAT does anyone have to be afraid of? People, like you and me are dying everywhere, all over the world and it’s ok with everyone.

I am genuinely curious as to reasons but I can’t see any. We’re on this planet for such a short time and people just blindly follow their ‘leader’.

Why can’t we just say no and stop it?!

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MushMonster · 25/12/2023 21:33

Power and money OP.
Large amounts of money and cheap access to resources. I do not think that is a coincidence that areas of the world at war are resources rich.

Hellenika · 25/12/2023 21:31

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No. The link states the cause of death as reported by the Israeli forensics team as of the 4th of December. They not only identify who each victim was, but also how they died. There is nothing confusing about it.

Hellenika · 25/12/2023 21:29

Girahim · 25/12/2023 21:27

You are the one insistently correcting posters on the manner of their death.

🤣 if one post quoting the Times of Israel is being “insistent”, then I wonder what your many posts could be characterised as?

BigandBeefy · 25/12/2023 21:29

Hellenika · 25/12/2023 17:38

@Xenia
Hamas chose to murder 1200 Israelis including slitting the throats of babies

The “slitting the throats of babies” is a social media rumour that has yet to be forensically confirmed as far as I know.

This report states that the only victim under the age of 1 was, Mila Cohen (Jewish) aged 9/10 months who was shot by Hamas while in the arms of her mother.

Another about to be born baby died as a result of a pregnant Bedouin (muslim) woman in labour being shot by Hamas on the way to the hospital.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/14-kids-under-10-25-people-over-80-up-to-date-breakdown-of-oct-7-victims-we-know-about/

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I got deleted for saying this. Lord only knows why. Facts do matter. As awful as it is there is a difference between one baby being shot and multiple babies having their throats slit as @Xenia said. Just like there is a difference between 40 babies beheaded and babies being put in an oven and 1 baby being shot. People all over the world like Xenia are still repeating these untruths and using them as reasoning for killing 1000s of Palestinian children. Of course it is awful that anyone was shot, nevermind a lovely innocent baby with their whole life ahead of them but facts still matter. The truth still matters.

Hellenika · 25/12/2023 21:27

Dibilnik · 25/12/2023 16:43

You % survival calculations are absolute nonsense, you should be measuring % survival by the population of Israel not festival attendees or kibbutz residents

Well, yes, except that Israel has had 3 months to wipe out the civilian population of Gaza, if that was really their intention, as stated so often and widely accepted without question here on MN.

Whereas Hamas and ordinary Gazan civilians had just a tiny window of opportunity on 7 October, and what they achieved was... let's say, impressive 😶

Genocides are a process not a singular event.
https://theconversation.com/genocides-persist-nearly-70-years-after-the-holocaust-but-there-are-recognized-ways-to-help-prevent-them-195260

Genocides persist, nearly 70 years after the Holocaust – but there are recognized ways to help prevent them

There isn’t one, clear-cut way to prevent genocide. But there are effective methods of prevention that governments can take.

https://theconversation.com/genocides-persist-nearly-70-years-after-the-holocaust-but-there-are-recognized-ways-to-help-prevent-them-195260

Girahim · 25/12/2023 21:27

Hellenika · 25/12/2023 21:18

Actually you are the one saying it makes a difference, not I.

Why would you think that my introducing information from the Times of Israel as to the number of babies killed on October 7th and the manner of death was anything other than because facts matter?

You are the one insistently correcting posters on the manner of their death.

HellishNika · 25/12/2023 21:25

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Hellenika · 25/12/2023 21:24

stomachamaleon · 25/12/2023 16:29

And that's all without (as it's Christmas Day) the ethnic cleaning of Christians from Gaza. The ancient community is oppressed and almost extinct. The war Hamas started is against Christians, Muslims and all Jews. It is a war on all humanity.

The Christian population in Gaza in 2005 was over 5,000 when Hamas took over. Do you know what it is now?

Christians in Israel on the other hand have steadily increased since.

Hamas hasn’t started a war against Christians! Who killed all the Christians sheltering at St. Porphyrius? Who used snipers to shoot women and shell a wing sheltering disabled civilians at the Catholic Holy Family Church?

There are numerous articles as well of the situation for Christians in the Christian quarter of Jerusalem and for Christians in the West Bank. It’s not Hamas. Muslim and Christian Palestinians are not fighting with each other.

Hellenika · 25/12/2023 21:18

Girahim · 25/12/2023 21:00

Right. So is shooting better than throat slitting then? That you're so determined it makes a difference.

Actually you are the one saying it makes a difference, not I.

Why would you think that my introducing information from the Times of Israel as to the number of babies killed on October 7th and the manner of death was anything other than because facts matter?

basculin · 25/12/2023 21:18

Truthseeker456 · 25/12/2023 21:11

Because there are a small number of people who control the world, and we are controlled by the media. Our opinions are manipulated so we don't question. They have manipulated the majority to accept the complete and utter horror of what the people of gaza are going through by saying that questioning is anti semitic which is bananas or that Israel have the right to defend themselves ( which they do but this isn't defence). We have a government whom for some very strange reason didn't vote for a ceasefire , something very odd is happening. This would have all been planned , either they want to start world war three or for some reason want Palestine in the hands of Israel in its enitirity

Who are these small number of people?

Truthseeker456 · 25/12/2023 21:11

Because there are a small number of people who control the world, and we are controlled by the media. Our opinions are manipulated so we don't question. They have manipulated the majority to accept the complete and utter horror of what the people of gaza are going through by saying that questioning is anti semitic which is bananas or that Israel have the right to defend themselves ( which they do but this isn't defence). We have a government whom for some very strange reason didn't vote for a ceasefire , something very odd is happening. This would have all been planned , either they want to start world war three or for some reason want Palestine in the hands of Israel in its enitirity

Girahim · 25/12/2023 21:00

Hellenika · 25/12/2023 20:58

Facts matter.

Right. So is shooting better than throat slitting then? That you're so determined it makes a difference.

Hellenika · 25/12/2023 20:58

Girahim · 25/12/2023 19:23

Why does it matter how the baby was murdered?**

Facts matter.

Hellenika · 25/12/2023 20:55

IncredibleSadness · 25/12/2023 17:53

@Hellenika "has yet to be confirmed forensically"

Do you accept the testimony of the forensic team who had the ghastly job of working out what was what after 7 October? Or is everything an Israeli tells you automatically dismissed as lies?
Or maybe he doesn’t look upset enough to you? He’s lying, faking, acting…?

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Those of us living in peaceful communities/countries, please let's just be grateful for that, and stop blaming Israel for the position it finds itself in.

Or is everything an Israeli tells you automatically dismissed as lies?

I should be asking you that as I got my information from the Times of Israel dated the 4th of December which is the report from the Israeli forensics experts? Did you not notice my link? Which do you think is more updated and accurate? A YouTube video of a first responder who doesn’t know forensics or the team of professional forensic coroners who can establish cause of death?

stomachamaleon · 25/12/2023 19:30

@Parkingt111 sorry I misunderstood I thought we were talking about Christian's living in Gaza?

I would hope any Christian's, Muslims, Jews or whatever religion you profess to be would not be celebrating right in the middle of an actual war. That would be obscene.

Also the figures back up where Christian's are living. Rather than where they have been driven out.

Parkingt111 · 25/12/2023 19:23

@stomachamaleon this was just on sky news right now. I'm more inclined to hear what actual Christians have to say on how they are treated.

We met Armenian Christian, Hagop Djernazian, who lives in Jerusalem's old city.
He said: "For the first time, we are not celebrating because of the war in Gaza."
"You can feel the anger within the communities."
He says the number of Christians in the OPT has been steadily falling, especially in the last two years, and there are now less than 8,000 Christians left in Jerusalem.
"The reason people are leaving is because of the pressure from different Israeli authorities on our churches and communities, the lack of job opportunities and education, and attacks on Christians' holy sites," Hagop Djernazian explained to us.

Girahim · 25/12/2023 19:23

Hellenika · 25/12/2023 17:38

@Xenia
Hamas chose to murder 1200 Israelis including slitting the throats of babies

The “slitting the throats of babies” is a social media rumour that has yet to be forensically confirmed as far as I know.

This report states that the only victim under the age of 1 was, Mila Cohen (Jewish) aged 9/10 months who was shot by Hamas while in the arms of her mother.

Another about to be born baby died as a result of a pregnant Bedouin (muslim) woman in labour being shot by Hamas on the way to the hospital.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/14-kids-under-10-25-people-over-80-up-to-date-breakdown-of-oct-7-victims-we-know-about/

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Why does it matter how the baby was murdered?**

educatingrati · 25/12/2023 19:21

It's the 7 deadly sins innit (pride often being considered as arrogance/ selfishness)?
If humans can't get on with their own families what hope is there for countries?
Religion is always used as an excuse, but that's just bollox. Greed, avarice, pride, wrath, gluttony, lust, laziness (not a sin but add fear in to the mix) and all of these result in discord. Now think about every war, I'm pretty sure you'll find most, if not all, can be linked to the seven deadly sins and /or fear.

Mushroomsouptonight · 25/12/2023 18:52

BigandBeefy · 25/12/2023 16:46

I've just seen that my post was deleted. All I said was the truth which is easily accessible to anyone? It isn't a secret how many people were killed. Its reported widely at this point. I'd love if whoever reported it could let me know why you chose to report my post?

Edited to add this is an article about the baby who was sadly killed by Hamas. What I said was true, she was killed by gunshot https://www.timesofisrael.com/yona-ohad-mila-cohen-73-43-10-months-three-generations-slain/

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Sick brutal slaughter, no idea why the truth was deleted

stomachamaleon · 25/12/2023 17:57

twitter.com/SpencerGuard/status/1727394126243742024

I choose who to believe.

IncredibleSadness · 25/12/2023 17:53

@Hellenika "has yet to be confirmed forensically"

Do you accept the testimony of the forensic team who had the ghastly job of working out what was what after 7 October? Or is everything an Israeli tells you automatically dismissed as lies?
Or maybe he doesn’t look upset enough to you? He’s lying, faking, acting…?

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Those of us living in peaceful communities/countries, please let's just be grateful for that, and stop blaming Israel for the position it finds itself in.

What Israeli first responders discovered after Hamas attack

This is what Israeli first responders discovered after the Hamas attack.Grim allegations are emerging that some of the victims of Hamas's attacks were tortur...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=9s&v=oLdsVNHvy2w

Hellenika · 25/12/2023 17:38

@Xenia
Hamas chose to murder 1200 Israelis including slitting the throats of babies

The “slitting the throats of babies” is a social media rumour that has yet to be forensically confirmed as far as I know.

This report states that the only victim under the age of 1 was, Mila Cohen (Jewish) aged 9/10 months who was shot by Hamas while in the arms of her mother.

Another about to be born baby died as a result of a pregnant Bedouin (muslim) woman in labour being shot by Hamas on the way to the hospital.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/14-kids-under-10-25-people-over-80-up-to-date-breakdown-of-oct-7-victims-we-know-about/

stomachamaleon · 25/12/2023 17:35

@Parkingt111 I could see your point if your numbers still didn't mean an over two thirds drop.

Parkingt111 · 25/12/2023 17:16

stomachamaleon · 25/12/2023 16:59

I don't think Gidon Ben Zvi is going to report from a point of neutrality on the situation after seeing many of his other articles since the war.
It's basically a criticism of a reuters article

stomachamaleon · 25/12/2023 16:59

@Parkingt111 that was my source. Honest reporting.

honestreporting.com/reuters-slams-israel-over-plight-of-gaza-christians-ignores-hamas-persecution/

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