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Murdered vs died.

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Eyesopenwideawake · 20/12/2023 22:14

Watching the BBC news tonight and they quoted "1200 people were murdered on the 7th October". In the same report they said that 20,000 people in Gaza had died since Israel started their campaign.

Language is so emotive. How would you think about the conflict if you were told/read that 20,000 Gazans had been murdered?

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passiveaggressivenonsense · 21/12/2023 04:01

I read that Israël has murdered more civilians in Gaza since Oct 7th than have been murdered by Isis.

naughtynine · 21/12/2023 03:57

Aren’t most civilian casualties of war referred to as having died or being killed as opposed to being murdered? I don’t think I’ve ever seen the word murder when talking about the War on Terror innocent victims. Are the Bloody Sunday victims even referred to as murdered?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/911-civilian-casualties-iraq-afghanistan-b1912816.html

Forgotten victims of 9/11: The 363,000 civilians killed during the War on Terror

We may never know how many innocent people US forces killed during the War on Terror – and that’s intentional, writes Josh Marcus

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/911-civilian-casualties-iraq-afghanistan-b1912816.html

auberginefortea · 21/12/2023 03:41

But there is a difference. When Hamas launched an attack, they set out to deliberately target and kill Jewish civilians. No doubt about it, the loss of life in Gaza is horrible, but the nature of airstrikes is that individual civilians are not being directly targeted. There is a military objective at play.

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webbydeb · 21/12/2023 00:19

I think it was today someone tweeted about how 60 people that drowned recently were real people and children and not just migrants. The word migrant dehumanises these people and detaches the readers/viewers from them. The tweet was in response to BBC.

I think the BBC and a lot of western media outlets deliberately use these words to lessen the impact the viewers may feel and actually normalise what's going on by removing the human emotion of empathy.

tescocreditcard · 21/12/2023 00:09

It wasn'tuntil someone on mumsnet pointed this out that I noticed it. Especially on the BBC. Different language used for different races.

I pay more attention to it now.

I've noticed also now that the BBC call Derry Londonderry now. Like they used to in The Troubles.

webbydeb · 21/12/2023 00:05

In some cultures women that die during child birth or those that die because of natural disasters are also martyred @Parkingt111 as you have mentioned just to give a few more examples.

Parkingt111 · 20/12/2023 23:49

@Itsalmostherenow the term martyr has different connotations in Islam and also in the culture there, than what we are used to over here. Anyone who is killed unjustly is a martyr. Like that there are also other causes of death where one would be considered a martyr for example If someone died through drowning.

Itsalmostherenow · 20/12/2023 23:35

I wonder why Palestinians say my child is martyred. Sounds off when they also say that of terrorists who die. I'd think it's different but they keep saying another child martyr.

BigandBeefy · 20/12/2023 22:50

I saw an interesting post on this a while back on Instagram. It was about the different language used to describe Palestinians vs Israelis on the 3 main news channels in the US. I wish I could find it now.

The BBC should at least say killed. They didn't die they were killed. Died makes it sound like they are dropping dead rather than being bombed to death and executed in the streets.

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