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BelleHathor · 19/12/2023 15:45

stormy4319trevor · 19/12/2023 14:14

@Desertrose2023 Well, it's certainly ironic to have people under siege in a church at Christmas. Although the story of how Joseph and Mary were turned away from every safe place, and how Mary had to give birth in a stable rather than in a comfortable home - is a little like the situation facing the people of Gaza.
I'm not a Conservative voter, but Alicia Kearns has been principled throughout the whole series of events. I don't know how to link, but she is challenging Sunak in a video clip on the Guardian live re: how can he say there have been too many civilian deaths while insisting on no immediate ceasefire.

Here you go:

Rishi Sunak appears before the Liaison Committee

Watch live as UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak appears before the House of Commons Liaison Committee.Read more on politics news 👉 https://trib.al/x4tuvud#Rishi...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=zy7Sy304Pbw

Snippit · 19/12/2023 15:23

The ex defence secretary has recently written an article about the conflict and has called it “Israel's killing rage that will fuel conflict for 50 years and radicalise young muslims across the world”.

“Northern Ireland’s internment taught us that a disproportionate approach by the state can serve as a terrorist organisations best recruiting sergeant“the former soldier added.

The uk sought out the IRA and didn’t just bomb Ireland indiscriminately, can you imagine the uproar, it’s just inhumane, no matter what race, colour, religion or creed. It’s heartbreaking to see the pictures coming out of Gaza, I can’t watch anymore, it reduces me to tears, especially the babies in the premature baby unit. Can you just imagine how the staff must be feeling having to leave these poor mites, I was so upset. I saw an interview with one of the fathers, the pain and anguish he felt was hard to watch.

I have donated to Red Crescent, who are an arm of the Red Cross. They are helping wherever they can on the ground in Gaza. If you do nothing else and despair at the images donate whatever you can to these guys, they are putting their lives at risk to save innocent civilians.

stormy4319trevor · 19/12/2023 14:46

@MissyB1 One of the messages of Christmas is to care for the hungry, the homeless, the suffering. It should be a time of peace, good will and giving. Let's hope politicians find a little Christmas spirit and bring about a ceasefire for all, and secure peace.

MissyB1 · 19/12/2023 14:39

@stormy4319trevor
yes I too see the links with the nativity. Makes me think of a Christmas T shirt I saw recently which said
”Rejoice in the birth of a brown skinned undocumented migrant”
And of course Jesus was Jewish.

stormy4319trevor · 19/12/2023 14:14

@Desertrose2023 Well, it's certainly ironic to have people under siege in a church at Christmas. Although the story of how Joseph and Mary were turned away from every safe place, and how Mary had to give birth in a stable rather than in a comfortable home - is a little like the situation facing the people of Gaza.
I'm not a Conservative voter, but Alicia Kearns has been principled throughout the whole series of events. I don't know how to link, but she is challenging Sunak in a video clip on the Guardian live re: how can he say there have been too many civilian deaths while insisting on no immediate ceasefire.

Desertrose2023 · 19/12/2023 13:55

stormy4319trevor · 19/12/2023 13:51

@Desertrose2023 I'm a bit puzzled too. I think they have said it's in a combat zone. As far as I can tell, these people were unable to evacuate and so they are now stuck there. The Guardian reports Layla Moran saying that food, reportedly delivered, has not been seen by the people stuck there, and they are down to their last can of corn.

They had no mercy for premature babies trapped in incubators so none can be expected when it comes to Gaza’s Christians. That doesn’t make it any more horrific though. And the week before Christmas while the world just watches on in silence.

stormy4319trevor · 19/12/2023 13:51

@Desertrose2023 I'm a bit puzzled too. I think they have said it's in a combat zone. As far as I can tell, these people were unable to evacuate and so they are now stuck there. The Guardian reports Layla Moran saying that food, reportedly delivered, has not been seen by the people stuck there, and they are down to their last can of corn.

Desertrose2023 · 19/12/2023 13:35

Sorry if I’ve missed it but have the Israeli army given any rationale at all for this church siege ? Or have they stopped bothering with even an attempt at a pretense ?

Efacsen · 19/12/2023 12:58

From Layla Morans twitter account this am

She's been granted an 'Urgent Question' in parliament at 12.30

IDF have said they have provided food and water - but hasn't appeared yet

Tank/s still at the gates

NotTerfNorCis · 18/12/2023 23:37

It shocks me how people on here are still blaming Hamas for everything.

Hamas is a product of the brutalisation of the Palestinian people by Israel. We can see further brutalisation playing out right in front of us.

stormy4319trevor · 18/12/2023 22:10

The Guardian has reported the IDF appears to be denying shooting or injuring anyone at the church. There's no comment on what will happen to the people still stuck there, though.

stormy4319trevor · 18/12/2023 22:00

Oh no @Efacsen I hope they get that ceasefire vote together quickly. But I've a feeling the US, and maybe the UK, will only accept a temporary pause.

Efacsen · 18/12/2023 21:56

Silence1 · 18/12/2023 12:30

The IDF did hit that hospital prior to that strike , it damaged the cancer ward and injured 4 members of staff .
TBH it all pales into insignificance compared what the IDF has done since and what they are doing in North Gaza which the world can't see.

Just seen about 5 mins ago that Al Ahili hospital has been 'forced out of service' by a IDF attack - it was the last semi-functioning hospital in northern gaza Sad

daytriptovulcan · 18/12/2023 21:50

Netanyahu belongs in the Hague, along with Putin. A total war criminal, who is determined to expunge his own incompetence with the blood of thousands.

JSMill · 18/12/2023 21:23

I haven't seen anything. I only know because I heard Layla Moran being interviewed on Times Radio, which doesn't have a massive audience.

stormy4319trevor · 18/12/2023 21:14

It was on C4 news. They interviewed a spokesperson, from the Israeli Knesset, I think. He said it wasn't true as the IDF don't target civilians. He also said it was a blood libel. I can't remember if he said they would look into it, but I think other spokespeople have said so. Layla Moran was also interviewed, and from her reports it seems the people stuck in the building don't have much food and water and can't leave in case they are shot at.

Efacsen · 18/12/2023 21:05

@JSMill there's been quite a bit in the Guardian and BBC too

JSMill · 18/12/2023 21:00

I haven't seen anything about this on the MSM. Apparently Israel can get away with anything.

Efacsen · 18/12/2023 20:33

Thank you for posting those @Parkingt111 saw them on twitter but tiny photos which didn't give any sense of the scale of damage

Parkingt111 · 18/12/2023 20:27

A travesty at such a blessed time for Christians in Gaza
There needs to be a intervention
It's enough now

Layla Moran's family trapped in Catholic church and under attack from IDF
Parkingt111 · 18/12/2023 20:26

Looks terrible
From the last update there are still many people trapped in the church

Layla Moran's family trapped in Catholic church and under attack from IDF
Parkingt111 · 18/12/2023 20:25

The Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem - the Catholic Church authority in Israel - has described the war in Gaza as a "senseless conflict" and called for it to end.
It has now released a series of photographs showing "serious damage to structures".

Layla Moran's family trapped in Catholic church and under attack from IDF
Efacsen · 18/12/2023 19:16

@Jarnsaxa and start 'a file' and take screenshots as advised earlier

Jarnsaxa · 18/12/2023 19:13

@Parkingt111 me too? In fact their dogged determination to excuse every Israeli atrocity is making the pro-Israel cause look so completely unhinged that I'm actually starting to wonder if they're actually Hamas operatives on a sabotage mission.
Maybe we should report them all to Prevent?

Efacsen · 18/12/2023 18:52

The US has raised concerns with Israel after reports that an Israeli military sniper shot and killed two Christian women inside a Christian compound in Gaza on Saturday, the White House said.

Israel | World news | The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/israel

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