Has anyone changed their mind from what they have read on here?

If only people would read this.

There is so.much hate and made up rubbish on X etc. It fuels so much misinformation which leads to a rise in anti semitism. It's awful.

Exactly. The cognitive dissonance is wild.

@LeaveBritneyAlone please report any antisemitic posts and MN will take them down. If they aren't being removed then I surmise that MN doesn't deem them antisemitic. But if you don't report them they can't be moderated.

For all those saying (accurately) how terrible Hamas behaviour was, killing almost 700 Israeli non-military citizens (according to Israeli social security records)on Oct 7, how do you feel about Israel having killed thousands of Palestinians since the Naqba - and having killed thousands of innocent children (and maimed thousands more) in the last few weeks alone?

The antisemitism that’s allowed to stand on MN is disgraceful

Thanks for knowing about my ideas better than myself.

do you also think idf are trash? They’ve tortured and raped people or only if you’re a terrorist. If you’re an army person and you commit those acts then it’s ok. Carry on

I have changed my mind about Israel. I always knew the Gaza situation was a bit dodgy but on the whole expected the Israeli government to behave as a civilised First Nation and thought it was more rogue army members causing issues. But their arrogance is shocking in interviews and their statements, and their behaviour clearly barbaric.

And yes obviously I am holding a supposedly civilised nation to a higher standard than hamas as they are a designated terror group. In the same way I would hold U.K. gov to a higher standard than isis.

Through these threads I learnt about the definitions of antisemitism. That was interesting also.

Excellent post.

Im really concerned as to why nobody except a vocal few of us seems to care that Holocaust 2.0 seems to be high on many people’s agendas, and the scary thing is - it could happen to us again.

Do pro-Hamas posters understand how terrifying that is? And don’t dare come at me with “What about the Palestinians”. To make Jews collectively responsible for Israel as deeply anti/Semitic

No it’s made me realise the antisemitism problem is even worse than I ever imagined

Not changed my mind at all. I researched a lot of the history about 15 years ago after becoming part of a Muslim community where deep hatred of Jewish people was totally normal and acceptable. They ran the world, controlled all the money, caused all the wars, they should be wiped out etc. I hadn’t known anything about it before and after having quite a few arguments about it and getting no intelligent answers as to why they felt this way, I started reading up on it. I think there may have been another conflict happening there and it was on the news at the time.

In my view, Israel is the victim and Palestinians (and their backers) are the aggressors. It’s no wonder Israel has had to take a hard line after years of being declared war on 9 times, constant suffering rocket attacks, suicide bombings, stabbing rampages, kidnappings perpetrated on civilians etc. There could have had peace 75 years ago and both sides lived alongside each other in shared prosperity and safety. The Arabs were never going to allow that to happen. Totally bit their nose off to spite their face and then cry victim. It’s a religious war, not a land war and the fundamentalists running it cannot be reasoned with. They will accept no less than Israel’s annihilation.

It’s terrible that so many civilians have been killed but that’s all on their government, and they and their supporters (which seems to be a high proportion of the adult population) hold responsibility for that and should answer to their children for that.

The one thing I have changed my mind on is that I thought I could no longer be shocked at how downright dumb people can be and that anti-semitism is so widespread.

That so many people have fallen for the blatant terrorist propaganda campaign and false information by Hamas supporters (including a large amount on here!), denied and minimised the shocking large scale atrocities of October 7th, denied that these cuddly, friendly terrorist ‘freedom fighter’ murderers and their civilian supporters would actually be capable of rape and surely wouldn’t hurt children, rip down posters of kidnapped children, or that anyone can actually support supporters of these absolute scum of the earth. It has absolutely shocked me to the core.

Thank you for asking. Examples on MN and elsewhere on social media have included:

• describing Israel as a white, colonialist settler state
• denying that there is anything offensive about the slogan "from the river to the sea"
• denying or downplaying the actions of Hamas, including the fact that their stated aim is the murder of all Jews
• holding diaspora Jews responsible for the actions of Netanyahu's government
• tearing down posters of Israeli hostages
• the double standards applied to Israel when compared with other countries' military actions

There's more but I'll leave it there as i have a sandwich waiting for me.

For example (I see this all the time on MN) that Israel is trying to steal the Palestinians 'ancient homelands' or commit a genocide. The truth is, before Yasser Arafat, the 'Palestinian people' didn't even exist. Palestinians are a mix of desert Arabs from the region of Palestine which for generations has been inhabited by Jews and Arabs. There are no 'ancient homelands', just a very, very long dispute going back to Biblical times when two half siblings got caught up in a family battle

I think it’s more that the a lot of the people living in what is Israel were displaced and that the land that was meant to be Palestine ended up being in Israel (which is itself an “ancient homeland” remember).
The land has changed hands many many times over the centuries and no one group has a 100% claim on it.

I haven't changed my mind but I think this latest escalation has shown rather glaringly that many people's views are based on faulty assumptions.

For example (I see this all the time on MN) that Israel is trying to steal the Palestinians 'ancient homelands' or commit a genocide. The truth is, before Yasser Arafat, the 'Palestinian people' didn't even exist. Palestinians are a mix of desert Arabs from the region of Palestine which for generations has been inhabited by Jews and Arabs. There are no 'ancient homelands', just a very, very long dispute going back to Biblical times when two half siblings got caught up in a family battle.

Likewise, many many Arabs and Palestinians live peacefully alongside each other in Israel and have done so for generations. The idea that Israel is a solo Jewish state is again a faulty assumption.

So no, my views haven't changed but I have been able to see clearly how many people have formed their own views. That's actually really helpful and if I get into discussion, helps me to find common ground. I don't think anything is achieved by all the constant warring on MN. Lots of ranting and very little listening.

Not really. I think I have learned more about what’s going on from this board than by just watching/reading the news though. I have learned some things.

Can you please provide examples of the antisemitism you have seen on Mumsnet and in the UK? I live in Scotland and don't know any Jewish people personally so antisemitism isn't something that's ever been on my radar (anti catholic bigotry is far more prevalent here). I hope you don't think that by asking this question that I am denying antisemitism exists. I'm just not personally aware of it in my day to day life. I'm asking so I can be more conscious of it in future.

My opinion of the UN changed when russia invaded Ukraine and the UN could do. nothing.

Russia even had their monthly chairmanship of the UNSC

I was fairly ambivalent before but have now moved very swiftly to support for Israel

the personal nature of the utter atrocity wreaked by Hamas. The details have disgusted me in a way that I didn't think possible

Israel is tiny in a sea of countries that don't think they have a right to exist. They have that right and have the right to protect their borders from murdering scum terrorists.

I've been turned too by the disgusting marches. Not one of them calling on Hamas to release hostages and have a ceasefire. The people on these marches, the placards, the chants. All disgusting

I've seen pictures of Gaza and see modern buildings, smart seaside resorts. Yet we just get to see the PR pics of rubble, because Hamas (the ones who run Palestine) are emboldened to produce as much disinformation as possible. And why not, people lap it up.

In my real life, people don't really comment much at all other than to criticise our first minister for letting personal factors influence where he send our money.

Lastly, the small cohort of posters on here who turn up on EVERY thread posting the same old crao, day after day. Even if I was still on the fence, they would turn me right off

Thanks OP for the opportunity to post

@Olinguita As a member of the Jewish community, I appreciate your support and believe you that you do what you can to stop anti-Semitism. I also believe you that despite being pro-Palestine, you are anti-Hamas. Thank you for phrasing your post so eloquently and standing with all of those who are vulnerable.

Mind you, I think I have changed my mind about the UN. I saw it as something powerful and basically good before and now I see it as more flawed. Yes, I know - it can only be a sum of its different parts.