Has anyone changed their mind from what they have read on here?

I don't know. There have been over half a million deaths since the start of the war in Syria, and it's still ongoing. It would be nice if hamas admitted defeat and put an end to it now for civilians sake.

I agree, it’s sickening.

This !

@miniegg3 at what cost to Palestinian lives and homes? Is there anywhere a line is drawn? We are close to 20 thousand deaths right now so where do we stop? 30k? 40k? When does the world say ok it's getting out of hand now?

Quite simply because they don’t. Why would they ? Most people have a massive problem with Netanyahu and the IDF, the violent settlers. You have your back up and say people hate the Jews, I would never consider any Jewish people around the world to be hateful, unless they give me cause like any other person from anywhere.
I do consider the people I mentioned above to be hateful, they are vile, but to say people hate Jews because they hate what Israel is doing is abhorrent and most normal people would agree. How dare you accuse people in such a sweeping statement.

@miniegg3 I think it's generally thought to have been PIJ whose rocket misfire resulted in the al-Ahli explosion.

You dont think there could be any change a young Israeli (or any age really) that's terrified of hamas, could have made a wrong judgment in a split second?
I mean, at least it's been admitted to and apologised for, unlike when hamas blew up its own hospital carpark and told the world it was the idf.
The world needs rid of hamas, and palastine needs rid of hamas before anything can get better.

Not necessarily on this thread but there are absolutely pro-Hamas posters on MN.

Are you seriously accusing people on here of being pro Hamas ?

Have always been pro two state solution and anti Netanyahu and his band of right wing extremists.

One thing I HAVE changed my mind about however is Keir Starmer. Absolutely shameful and weak. Lost my vote.

And the Israeli government have publicly made it very clear that they will never consider a two state solution either.
I can understand why Jewish people have a problem with “from the river to the sea” but what do you call it when a Jewish person posts the same thing on Facebook, with a picture of the Jewish flag encompassing all that land ?? Please someone tell me why that is ok as I reported that post and fb didn’t consider it worth removing. It’s all very one sided isn’t it ?

Anti semetism is rearing its ugly head, but Islamophobia is doing exactly the same. Is that ok ?

Your last two sentences completely resonate with me and make me think of another famous quote from Albert Einstein, which I’m fearful may become a prophecy.

“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones".

Nothing on MN has changed my stance but it has been rather disturbing to see how many one-sided posters are so blind to anything that doesn’t bolster their arguments. From both sides, but particularly the stubborn refusal of many of the frequent pro-Israeli posters to recognise that the IDF have committed some horrific atrocities as well.

I would personally label myself pro-innocent civilians or pro-humanity. I 100% support the need for a safe Jewish homeland AND for a land where the Palestinians can live safely and prosperously without restrictions.

I don’t think either of these things can happen with the current Israeli government or with Hamas. Both need to go. Although I don’t agree that the mass bombing of Gaza is going to achieve the elimination of Hamas; it’s just resulting in a huge number of civilian deaths, injuries and an appalling humanitarian disaster. The deaths of over 7,000 children and babies is unjustifiable. The blame for all of these deaths lies with both Hamas and the IDF. Both have innocent blood on their hands.

I’m a pacifist and have never believed that war leads to peace. Israel is not making itself safer by the actions it is taking, it is just perpetuating a cycle of death that tragically will most likely just continue into the next generation.

As the great Martin Luther King himself said, “If we are to have peace on Earth, our loyalties must transcend our race, our tribe, our class, and our nation.

To address your question first, “ why can’t they have one country to be safe in?” The trouble is that they have not stayed within the borders they were given, they have grabbed more and more land turfing people out of their homes. If they had stayed within the 1967 borders maybe they would have good neighbours and peace, but they didnt. This isn’t now about defending themselves fro Oct 7, this is a complete land grab and occupation. It’s looking like the West Bank is next on the list.

To answer the op, my views have not changed in that I have always been pro-palestian, however, even I, never imagined that Israel could unleash the brutality upon Gaza that they have. I am beyond horrified now of what Netanyahu and the IDF are capable of. They have gone completely rogue and I foresee this growing into a much larger conflict in the Middle East and even the start of a world war. We are standing on the abyss.

Not a reason for the IDF to flaunt international law as they do time and time again.

Always been pro Palestine. This time the difference is social media which is showing the world what is happening and has been happening for years. The IDF shooting the hostages shows there is no respect for international law and they simply shoot anything that moves. They are doing themselves no favours with their current actions.

And even then Israel shouldn’t be shooting at anyone that has got a white flag and doesn’t have a weapon on. Also, this time it’s been hostages , other times it’s been Palestinians who they’ve attacked , was it Hamas fault as well that Palestinians were in Palestine ?
Again Hamas is doing no good. Idf isn’t doing any good either.

Mumsnet hasn't really had any effect on my thinking. But following the news cycle, the rhetoric, noticing the patterns of disinfo and the fight for a narrative that was laid down early and vehemently has been rather enlightening. I've certainly changed my views on Israel.

You've contradicted yourself just in the first paragraph.. I'm pretty sure hamas actions are the reason there are even hostages there in the first place. The reason they are in gaza right now 🤦‍♀️

Many Jewish people in the West are thriving. One of the very admirable things about orthodox Jews is their ability to mobilise and set up communities, that are often exclusively Jewish. Look at the towns of Kiryas Joel in NY and the Quebecan one (sorry can't remember it's name). That's not to say they, like any other minority group won't face discrimination at times. But it certainly doesn't mean they are all going to die unless Israel exists. Many Jews have never even been to Israel. I remember one settler who arrived from Australia saying "if we don't have Israel we'll be in the gas chambers".

Many of the actions Israel is taking don’t rely on Hamas behaviour. Have you missed the news today that idf shot and killed 3 hostages despite they had white flags and international law says you shouldn’t shot at them?

have you missed the part where idf has bulldozed people that were in a hospital car park and buried them alive ?

and have you missed the bit where they’ve raided and killed several in a Cristian church?

hamas are terrorists. Idf is behaving like terrorists. And innocent citizens shouldn’t have to put with either

They are. People are calling on Hamas and the Israeli government to agree to a ceasefire.

It's true thought.. why aren't they?