Has anyone changed their mind from what they have read on here?

It maybe made sense to you

To others it was just more of the same 🤷🏻‍♀️

I don't smoke at all BTW

And yet if they hadn't been kidnapped by terrorists they'd have been safer still

What part did you think Hamas have played in all of this?

And yet her post made complete sense. Are you sure you’re not the one smoking.

It makes total sense to those hooked on misinformation and conspiracy theories with anti-semitism at their base.

Perhaps the smoke emanates from the history books set on fire?

Totally** a conspiracy theory as Hamas denied ever having them, changed their minds several times, released footage of telling their father they were dead, etc etc

I was more wondering what you were smoking.
And yet her post made complete sense. Are you sure you’re not the one smoking.

And you state this with utter confidence.

Plusjamais literally thousands of women and children crushed by Israeli bombs and tanks so not really a conspiracy theory that she and her children could be one of the numbers.

Sorry but this is ridiculous. The IDF aren't an entity of their own. They work for Israel. They carry out the orders of the democratically elected Israeli government. The government that the citizens of Israel chose to represent them only last year. They aren't a terrorist organisation, they are Israels military and therefore yes it is 'Israel'. Does every Israeli citizen agree with their actions, probably not, it would be rare that everyone would agree but the IDF represent Israel and act on the orders of the recently elected Israeli government.

www.timesofisrael.com/hostage-inbar-haiman-27-murdered-in-hamas-captivity-officials-say/

Safer?

And you know nothing of the Bibas children (as neither do Hamas apparently) and as there is no fundamental proof either way (and the Red Cross aren't allowed to see them) we Don't know what has happened.

I haven't changed my mind about the rights of all people to live with dignity and without fear of violence.

Nor have I changed my mind about how bigoted and ignorant so many posters are about Israel.

"most likely".

There is no point even discussing this when folks like this apply 'my side is right' to literally every aspect of this very fucking horrendous situation in Gaza. This is how conspiracy theories start.

@WibbleWobbleFlop that is their MO. Sow the seeds of doubt around Israel... how many people died?
And no mention of rockets into Israel daily sent from built up areas? People terrified in bomb shelters, rocket attacks on hospitals (yesterday), that perpetual sense of fear.
There is only recognition for one 'side' and it shows an enormous lack of awareness.

When they clearly were safer as now they are dead because of the way IDF treat civilians in Gaza, and sadly that lady with her sweet red head children most likely died from Israeli carpet bombs or the white phosphorus.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/10/israel-revises-death-toll-from-october-7-hamas-attack-to-1200-people

1,200 is the official toll apparently now.

They weren’t safer. Many hostages have been tortured, executed or “lost”. These hostages had managed to escape.

Righto, well I'm sure those who knew the Bibas children would disagree.

There is a lot of minimization happening in this post. "Several hundred innocent Israelis" murdered? Try almost two thousand in a day, targeted towards civilians, with no intention to target the IDF.

Palestine has suffered thousands upon thousands of deaths, which is absolutely horrific and inexcusable. This is at the hands of the IDF (and Hamas through both misfire and neglect). Absolutely nobody is denying this. Israel has had it's own share of suffering and persecution by Hamas, other terrorist groups, and governments worldwide. This is being hugely overlooked by many posters.

Please stop blaming "Israel" and focus your attention on the IDF and Hamas as the forces at work here.

whattheactualfrog, I’m not saying Hamas is blameless ( who is?) but sadly the hostages were safer with Hamas then when they were considered a Palestinian civilian by the IDF.

Absolutely right. Any decent person would be

I would hope justifying the murder of thousands of civilians would boggle the mind more then the description of who might be considered white, but apparently not it seems.

Suggesting Hamas are blameless when Israeli hostages are shot in friendly fire… I don’t know what to say, people are so cruel. Any decent person would be against the taking of hostages, including Jewish hostages.

Baruch dayan ha'emet, may their memories be a blessing.

Have you counted the six million Jews murdered in the Holocaust?

If your thinking “but the Palestinians didn’t do that” - the reason it’s relevant is because exile from their ONE Jewish land - which is what Palestinians and many anti-semites want - would result in this again. So it’s important to factor it in as a relevant number. It hasn’t even been 80 years FFS and people are happy to roll over and let it happen again, swallowing the EXACT SAME message Eastern European countries did last time

for context this is one of the posts I was referring to earlier in the thread. I genuinely do not understand where and by who another holocaust would happen?

Yes, that's boggled my mind too.

Many posters further back in the thread did state there would be another holocaust if Israel was not there. I am confused who they think would carry that out? When I look at the world today and look at the most vulnerable in society at risk of persecution because of their colour, creed, sexual orientation, the refugees fleeing for safety, the abused, the homeless, those in poverty, Jewish people do not come to mind. I am not for a minute saying antisemitism doesn't exist and the current threat level is higher than normal but the belief that without Israel (which literally no one is suggesting) Jewish people are at risk worldwide from another holocaust is such a massive leap and extremely unlikely.
I know I will get flamed for this post but you have to be realistic, Israel is going no where and Jewish people are not at risk of genocide.

Non white?

What?