Has anyone changed their mind from what they have read on here?

I have barely engaged in these threads on MN and thank fuck I’m not on social media because it’s all just people venting and ranting. Very few will change their viewpoints.

There is nothing anti-Semitic about that. What is anti-Semitic is the implication that Israel (the only Jewish state in the world) be abolished in form of a single-state solution known solely as Palestine, thereby removing the safe haven of Israel from Jewish people worldwide. It is in the definition of anti-Semitism agreed by the European Commission.

"I'd go as far as to say that in a just world there would be one Palestinian state" were your words.

@OuiOuiKitty Small protests? "Tens of thousands were set to rally nationwide" is massive. The overwhelming majority of Israelis want Netanyahu out. This has been widely publicized in unbiased news. It has been posted on this thread for you to see.

Netanyahu's regime and the IDF do not represent the average Israeli, and conflating Israel with it's leadership is leading to the high amount of anti-Israeli, and in turn, anti-Semitic sentiment we are seeing worldwide.

Indeed.

Yes, I have seen that there have been small protests, I've made it clear that i don't think every Israeli agrees. I looked before to see if there had ever been protests against illegal settlers and Israels support of them because of people here insisting that Israelis were against them and found protests where 10s of people or 100s of people had attended.

Perhaps in future we will see marches with a significant portion of their population attending and the sacking and charging of politicians and military personnel if change is something the majority of Israelis actually want.

@floodlightonwhatisright What is antisemitic about believing everyone should have equal rights?

Yeeeeeah. We have tried “Jews trying to survive as a persecuted minority” in pretty much every Middle Eastern, North African, and European country there is. So far a 100% failure rate. So we’ll stick to exercising our human right to self-determination thanks.

Definitely, in my opinion, one of the most anti-Semitic posts ever on MN.
An absolute wonder that it is till standing!
Shame on you Braticus.

Except that "Israel" is blamed repeatedly as if Israelis were in some way separate and distinct.
Separate and distinct from what?

I never said it wasn't necessary for Israel to exist, point out where I did please because if I did I will edit the post. My point was that I didn't think Israel was currently under threat of not existing which previous posters has suggested.

Well, that’s a carefully evidenced and articulate reply isn’t it. Well done 👏👏

The irony.

@Opalfru1ty

Agree I can't be bothered with the nit picking either but to clarify for the record I never once suggested in any of my posts that Jews were not currently under threat.

@OuiOuiKitty The war is between Russia and Ukraine, but I would never say that Russia is responsible for murdering Ukrainians. Putin and his cronies are responsible. Russian civilians had nothing to do with it, even moreso because Putin is a dictator.

Not changed my mind as such - started by feeling conflicted and like there is no easy answer. I currently still feel that way. However I have gone back and forth in understanding different view points and why there is so much emotion and strong feeling on each side. I have sympathy for all ‘sides’ and an understanding that for most people it is not out of hate but out of their understanding of the situation. Of course there are disgusting people on both sides who will always exist.

I find it all very tragic.

@OuiOuiKitty Even for what some would call a biased news source, thousands of Israelis were protesting Netanyahu even before October 7th.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/no-forgiveness-for-dictatorship-protesters-to-rally-against-overhaul-for-38th-week/

Your post is full of holes.

For example, invitations to the private screenings were only sent to carefully handpicked journalists, media personalities and influencers. They have never released them for any other set of people, the general public are not allowed to see them, we only have these carefully selected peoples word for the content. Their insta and X accounts the next day had almost the exact same words as each other, as if they were using pre-released propaganda.
It is on record that white prosperous was used, the horrific injuries have been recorded and verified. Doctors were also seeing horrific blast injuries not compatible with usual weapons of war.
Some of the awful pictures from 07 Oct were taken from japanese websites and others verified and dated pre Oct 07.
The tunnels under Al Shifa that so many civilians and medical workers died for were a joke, a few guns and no Hamas, not the command and control centre for Hamas the IDF told the world about. So much for the Israeli intelligence operations.
You say 100’s of rape kits were used, Israel have stated that no rape kit evidence was collected at all ( let me be clear I’m not saying rape didn’t happen) I’m saying they have no properly evidenced material. The lies about the 40 beheaded babies and baby in the oven were retracted several days later, not before they had gone around the world. The Israeli secret service, the government spokesmen and the IDF lied continually, is it any wonder people don’t know what to believe ? They cried wolf too many times.

Hundreds of thousands of civilians dead, hospitals bombed but the “so professional” Israeli armed forces with the help of the western governments still haven’t found Hamas ?? Not so good really are they !

But you don't pretend that the Russian army is acting of its own accord do you? So why would we pretend the IDF is? We say the Russian/Ukraine war. We say Russia invaded Ukraine. You can split hairs all you want, I get that it is shameful to have an army and a government like Israels, but pretending that the IDF are some rogue unit not a military representing a country is just bananas.

I'm sure if the people of Israel disagree with their actions we will see 100s of 1000s of people take to the streets in protest like in pretty much every other country, government officials fired and military personnel charged. They have voices, if they want to use them I'm sure they will.

I think we basically agree then - the Jews do have the right to a homeland (this is zionism), but not at any cost. Given that the homeland exists, any further debate is about where the borders are, who has the right to live within them and how they are secured. These are issues that the peace process has failed to resolve.

Well consider the thousands of years of Jewish history and how many times Jews have been persecuted in that time. I can’t see any reason why that pattern would now be finished. There is no imminent genocide of Jews in the West, but we can’t see the future and given the past, it’s very clear to me why they would feel the need for their own country. I can’t see why anyone would claim this isn’t necessary, particularly because even without the risk of persecution it is generally accepted that national self-determination is a good thing.

I believe I mentioned 2 separate attacks on individuals, 1 example of mob violence, 1 large-scale attack, one failed large-scale attack and one stated intention of future large scale attacks. These are not isolated incidents.

I really can't be bothered with this nit-picking, though. If you can't see the threat to Jews there, I'm afraid there's nothing more I can say to you.

The tories are useless, but at least they aren’t killing thousands of innocent men woman and children on a daily basis, they are complicit in the bombing however and they will pay for this at the ballot box.

You were the one that mentioned isolated attacks on Jews in your response to me and I was highlighting that there are many vulnerable groups of people at risk of similar attacks. My original post was responding to previous posters claims that without Israel there would be another holocaust and I queried where they had evidence for this. What Hamas have done and are doing is seperate to this, they are a terrorist organisation that are attacking and threatening Israel, it is not a global force that is capable of genocide, no matter what they say or claim they will do and the rest of the world would not sit back and let it happen anyway. Whereas they seem to be in the case of Palestine at the moment.