Has anyone changed their mind from what they have read on here?

I didn't make up the polls, if you think that the results of the polls make Israelis look like 'blood thirsty monsters' those are your words and your judgements, not mine. I didn't pass any judgement on them, just stated that it seems from the polls that Netanyahu and the IDF represent the 'average Israeli' in this conflict. Elected governments usually do represent the 'average person'.

I’ve heard this so many times from pro-Israelis, “it is our land because we won it in a war” …. what garbage. If someone “won” Israel would that be ok then ? Of course it wouldn’t, so stop with the propaganda.

How on Earth does tens of thousands of people rallying constitute a small protest? You are making out that the average Israeli citizen is a blood-thirsty, land-grabbing monster with no care for their neighbours. Which minority religious group has been tarred with those stereotypes before...

Can you not read ? Why are you trying to change my words and mis-interpret them ?

Just because you don’t like what I am factually pointing out doesn’t mean they are not allowed to be said, who made you the ruler of all speech.
There is nowhere in my post where I said Oct 07 didn’t happen, your comprehension is very lacking. I have quite rightly pointed out the lies and propaganda which Israeli had to retract and also information from Haaretz’s reporting. So much has been confirmed to be inaccurate. This is not my opinion, this is fact so stop with your bullying rhetoric.

There is nowhere else on earth where people from differing faiths and races don’t live side by side with equal rights except Israel, why is this ? Why do you think you deserve that right, but no other people do ?

Only someone who is worryingly fixated on their hatred of Israel and its people
to the exclusion of all other countries in the world could possibly say this with a straight face.

Jewish people all around the world seem to happily live in many other communities, and co-exist with their friends and neighbours, if they are happy, why can’t you ?

If you honestly don’t know or understand why the Jewish diasporic community is so wide and varied and what has led to this, I don’t think you actually want to.

No I haven't changed my mind at all but my eyes have been opened to the Israeli government's obvious disregard for any human lives.
I knew the history of the birth of Israel and that 700,000 Palestinians Arabs fled from their homes or were expelled by Zionist militias during the 1948 Palestinian war, following the Palestine Partition Plan.
I also knew that during the decades that followed its creation, Israel fought several wars and ended up occupying the West Bank and Gaza - contrary to a 1947 UN designation.
I was also aware that Israel severely restricted the movement of Palestinians and goods from Gaza after 2005.
When the horrors of 07/10/23 happened, the first thing I said to my husband was that the Israeli government will exact revenge. I didn't know how far they would go. I believe that this has gone beyond revenge now or getting rid of Hamas. Netanyahu wants Gaza raised to the ground. Then he will turn to the West Bank. This man is a monster as bad as Hamas.

Oh and it's not that Israelis should be held to account. It's that Israelis should hold their elected representatives into account. That's what usually happens in a democracy where the majority of people don't agree with the governments actions.

I don't think you can judge a population by the actions of a government. It's why civilians are supposed to be protected in war, I suppose. Civilians have a range of views, little power and voting systems don't always capture majority views. They are not responsible for their governments.

I have taken screenshot of all the posts that remain standing. MN won't let me have a voice. It is shocking how they repeatedly delete my accounts

Have they said why they keep deleting your accounts?

Why should Israelis be held to account?
Is anyone actually saying they should?

Yes, I don't know why you want me to repeat myself, small protests. The average Israeli doesn't want the safety of Palestinians to be considered in this conflict, the average Israeli doesn't want peace negotiations. This has been shown in polls. I would say that if the average Israeli doesn't think the safety of Palestinian civillians should be considered and the average Israeli doesn't want peace then the government and the IDF are in fact pretty representive of the average Israeli. Obviously the polls weren't 100% in favour but they were pretty damning in their support of the government's actions. They may want Netanyahu out despite voting him in repeatedly but overall they seem supportive of his campaign in Gaza.

I agree with this
I would be horrified if someone from another country thought that for example I shared some of the same views as Suella Braverman or held me responsible for it

@whattheactualfrog Sorry, nebulous borders are just not how the world works. For a start, how can you defend them if you are not quite sure where they are? Those territories occupied by Israel are not recognised as 'won'. Golan Heights, West Bank and Gaza are deemed illegally occupied. If Israel wishes to say they are theirs they need to draw up a legal process to designate them as official borders. It's a source of ongoing conflict that there are no internationally recognised and legal borders, and I really believe that if they were defined, and if the state of Israel remains within those borders, there would be far fewer issues. It is all too unclear.

@Crazypaving16 I am glad more are seeing and it will be reported properly.

Borders are often changed by war, that’s normal. In the case of Israel they changed in their favour after war was declared on them by their neighbours and then the invaders lost. Actually a pretty good cautionary tale in why to not invade people.

Israel has agreed to so many two-state deals, Palestine has rejected every single one. Israel is only 70-75% Jewish, all ethnic minorities in Israel have equal rights. Israeli Arabs even hold elected office. Compare to Palestine controlled areas which Jews cannot even enter. Bethlehem (controlled by Palestine) used to be over 80% Christian in the 50s, now the population has declined to 10%. But some displaced people don’t count…

I absolutely agree with those who mention the issue of borders. These days every other country has recognised borders, and if they extend them it's an act of aggression. Israel, however, has borders which extend into Syria, the West Bank and Gaza. They are not internationally recognised and seem subject to change. A real first step to peace would be to define where the state of Israel begins and ends and to firmly stick to those boundaries. It would save a lot of aggro, and it is how the world works these days.

And we all know that Israel will not entertain a two state solution don’t we, so they will be denied it.

There is nowhere else on earth where people from differing faiths and races don’t live side by side with equal rights except Israel, why is this ? Why do you think you deserve that right, but no other people do ? Why don’t the people of Gaza deserve their own state and their own human rights ? Why are they already marketing beach villas in Gaza to the settlers ?

Jewish people all around the world seem to happily live in many other communities, and co-exist with their friends and neighbours, if they are happy, why can’t you ?

Can you actually answer any of these questions ?

The Palestinians have been offered a state many times and rejected it, they’re not being “denied” it

@feralunderclass And I wouldn't deny the Palestinians a state. A two-state solution is the best option there is. But abolishing Israel is anti-Semitic, and that is what @braticus said was an ideal solution.

@WibbleWobbleFlop its anti-Pal to say the Palestinians can't have a state. They, more than anyone else right now need somewhere safe.