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Has anyone changed their mind from what they have read on here?

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mollyfolk · 15/12/2023 23:33

we’ve argued a lot. We’ve backed up our arguments with lots of proof. Has anyone changed their mind or viewpoint - I’m just interested?

it would be lovely if we didn’t argue here and just let everyone state their views.

I’ve spent most of my life in Ireland, where you’d be hard pressed, in the present day, to meet someone who doesn’t agree that the Israeli authorities treat Palestinian’s terribly. It wouldn’t be controversial here to say - isn’t it awful what’s happening in Gaza - in any situation whether when I lived in the UK it was a lot more controversial and wouldn’t be a suitable thing to mention in work for example.

I haven’t changed my mind but I’m a lot more educated about anti semitism and have more understanding of the viewpoint of people who support the Israeli government.

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stomachameleon · 17/12/2023 21:32

@Parkingt111 I agree with that.

Parkingt111 · 17/12/2023 21:06

Its to further add salt to the wounds.

Parkingt111 · 17/12/2023 21:04

Anotherdayanotherdiet · 17/12/2023 19:16

@Anotherdayanotherdiet What is wrong with you to post such a thing!
What do you mean? All I said was I think it’ll backfire 😵‍💫

That’s assuming the joke is even aimed at their critics. Given that’s it’s not so bizarre to imagine that a company that builds settlements might be planning to build settlements perhaps it’s the Palestinians they’re actually goading.

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Yes agree with this
Its deliberately inflammatory especially as they are currently being intensely bombed
It's not even a stand alone post there are several referring to the settlements in Gaza including soldiers who work for the company holding up the banner of the company in Gaza

Thereissomelight · 17/12/2023 20:40

Genuine question.

Thereissomelight · 17/12/2023 20:40

@Xenia
Do you think the US, UK and Israel are a triumvirate of some kind?

Xenia · 17/12/2023 20:33

My views have not changed in support of Israel at the start and now. I do not support censorship however as I would rather see the 5th column, enemy within our land of the UK as it were so we know what we are up against in our fight to preserve the UK, US and Israeli democracies.

The huge Hamas tunnels Israel has been showing the world today illustrate yet again the terrorist enemies to our freedom which are Hamas. Hamas has spent millions whilst its people get very little of the money. People are nothing to Hamas.

Anotherdayanotherdiet · 17/12/2023 20:08

Still wondering about this interesting email. Should we worry if you have concerns about us? Should we ask the police to take a look at your post?
It’s probably the CST email (the CST being an organisation that supports Jewish communities). Some people on here feel MN is not addressing antisemitism on the site and want to raise it with them.

They have an interesting report on antisemitic discourse (what it is, legal definitions etc) on their website

https://cst.org.uk/public/data/file/3/7/Antisemitic%20Discourse%20Report%202019.pdf

https://cst.org.uk/public/data/file/3/7/Antisemitic%20Discourse%20Report%202019.pdf

Thereissomelight · 17/12/2023 19:52

Thereissomelight · 17/12/2023 18:43

This sounds vaguely threatening in fact. What will the “interesting” email recipient do when you share your concerns?

Still wondering about this interesting email. Should we worry if you have concerns about us? Should we ask the police to take a look at your post?

braticus · 17/12/2023 19:25

whattheactualfrog · 17/12/2023 15:17

The Palestinians have been offered a state many times and rejected it, they’re not being “denied” it

Netanyahu literally said on Saturday that he was 'proud to have prevented the establishment of a Palestinian state.'

Parkingt111 · 17/12/2023 19:22

@Anotherdayanotherdiet it was tagged to you by mistake
It was supposed to be to another poster whose post is now deleted my apologies
That's why I asked mumsnet to remove it

stormy4319trevor · 17/12/2023 19:20

@Anotherdayanotherdiet I don't think that post was meant to you, it was for an alien -see above posts

Anotherdayanotherdiet · 17/12/2023 19:16

@Anotherdayanotherdiet What is wrong with you to post such a thing!
What do you mean? All I said was I think it’ll backfire 😵‍💫

That’s assuming the joke is even aimed at their critics. Given that’s it’s not so bizarre to imagine that a company that builds settlements might be planning to build settlements perhaps it’s the Palestinians they’re actually goading.

Anotherdayanotherdiet · 17/12/2023 19:03

I don’t think it’s particularly jolly, no.
It’s ludicrous to imagine anyone at all could possibly be selling building plots in the middle of a literal war zone, and it makes fools of the people who show themselves up in the comments as being so desperate to reinforce their own prejudice and hatred of Jews that they can’t recognise when they’re being trolled

The thing is some people do believe that the more right wing Israelis would like to drive the Palestinians out of Gaza and claim it as part of Israel. Yes, there’s a war going on but when the war is over? Who is going to be in charge of Gaza if not Hamas? Israel possibly?
The ad may not be genuine but it’s sailing a bit close to the wind.

Parkingt111 · 17/12/2023 18:54

@stormy4319trevor oh yes sorry it was supposed to be to @Analien49451

stormy4319trevor · 17/12/2023 18:50

@Parkingt111 did you @ the wrong person?

25milesfromhome · 17/12/2023 18:49

Anotherdayanotherdiet · 17/12/2023 18:20

I’ve had a look- I do think this is a (terrible, terrible) joke, and trolling that serves to show how people literally will believe absolutely anything, no matter how ludicrous

A jolly jape eh?
If so it may backfire. Settlements are built in the West Bank so why would it be ludicrous to imagine settlers are planning to built in Gaza?

I don’t think it’s particularly jolly, no.
It’s ludicrous to imagine anyone at all could possibly be selling building plots in the middle of a literal war zone, and it makes fools of the people who show themselves up in the comments as being so desperate to reinforce their own prejudice and hatred of Jews that they can’t recognise when they’re being trolled.

stormy4319trevor · 17/12/2023 18:48

reported @Parkingt111 annoying though to have to keep doing it

Parkingt111 · 17/12/2023 18:47

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Analien49451 · 17/12/2023 18:44

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Thereissomelight · 17/12/2023 18:43

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This has been deleted by MNHQ as it looked like the work of a previously banned poster.

This sounds vaguely threatening in fact. What will the “interesting” email recipient do when you share your concerns?

Parkingt111 · 17/12/2023 18:41

If there was a reputable well established building company who were posting about building homes for Palestinians in place of the many Kibbutz for example there would be similar outrage which would also be expected and justified.
Maybe they should be contacted and told to take down their inflammatory posts

Parkingt111 · 17/12/2023 18:38

@stomachameleon they have people from their company fighting in Gaza and its not just a one odd post. There has been multiple posts talking about building settlements in Gaza. So even if it is in poor taste its extremely irresponsible. It includes a post where they have marked out plots that can be purchased at pre-sale prices. People will see that and be immediately outraged and you can't really blame them either can you? I should add I am not saying that their outrage should lead to or justify anti-semitism.
This is a well established company that has built multiple settlements in the occupied territories

stomachameleon · 17/12/2023 18:31

@Parkingt111 also see below.
Also as much as it is in poor taste, people do things in poor taste when they are at war. I am not saying it is right and we are looking at it with different eyes. But that's what I think.

stomachameleon · 17/12/2023 18:29

@plusjamais I think it's an in the very poor taste 'joke' and should be treated as such.

Totallymessed · 17/12/2023 18:22

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This has been deleted by MNHQ as it looked like the work of a previously banned poster.

Do you know where to find the email address? I'm another poster who is seriously shocked by some of the things being posted- and even more disturbingly, not deleted- and the moderation team seem to be failing so badly I don't feel like there is much point in continuing to report things.

Hopefully, this doesn't get deleted! Bloody hell Mumsnet, sort yourselves out. You're risking really harming your reputation if you allow the board to harbour hate speech.