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Has anyone changed their mind from what they have read on here?

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mollyfolk · 15/12/2023 23:33

we’ve argued a lot. We’ve backed up our arguments with lots of proof. Has anyone changed their mind or viewpoint - I’m just interested?

it would be lovely if we didn’t argue here and just let everyone state their views.

I’ve spent most of my life in Ireland, where you’d be hard pressed, in the present day, to meet someone who doesn’t agree that the Israeli authorities treat Palestinian’s terribly. It wouldn’t be controversial here to say - isn’t it awful what’s happening in Gaza - in any situation whether when I lived in the UK it was a lot more controversial and wouldn’t be a suitable thing to mention in work for example.

I haven’t changed my mind but I’m a lot more educated about anti semitism and have more understanding of the viewpoint of people who support the Israeli government.

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25milesfromhome · 17/12/2023 23:38

braticus · 17/12/2023 23:23

@Analien49451 I think it would help if you kept your criticism to the Israeli government. Not all Israeli's support what their government is doing so it's not a good idea to generalise.

And this from the person who recently said “ If Israel doesn’t pay for its crimes then there is no justice in the world”. Maybe you could take your own advice.

25milesfromhome · 17/12/2023 23:34

Analien49451 · 17/12/2023 23:24

I would rather use the term Zionists , and please do not jump on the antisemitic bandwagon, the Zionists can do no wrong ?

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“Zionist” is just a code word for “Jew” for antisemites, so you’re gleefully leaping onto the antisemitic bandwagon there anyway.

plusjamais · 17/12/2023 23:32

Analien49451 · 17/12/2023 23:24

I would rather use the term Zionists , and please do not jump on the antisemitic bandwagon, the Zionists can do no wrong ?

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@Analien49451 I'm a "Zionist". And I'm pro-ceasefire. I wonder if your narrow little mind is able to compute that.

stomachameleon · 17/12/2023 23:31

Thank you @braticus.

braticus · 17/12/2023 23:30

@Analien49451 Oh trust me I'm not jumping on the band wagon.

25milesfromhome · 17/12/2023 23:30

Analien49451 · 17/12/2023 23:19

Well said ! It's like nobody can speak against Israelis .

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Goading a Jewish poster and accusing a Jewish poster of supporting the bombing of innocent men, women and children, apropos of nothing, is well said? Is speaking out against Israelis? In what way?

Analien49451 · 17/12/2023 23:26

braticus · 17/12/2023 23:23

@Analien49451 I think it would help if you kept your criticism to the Israeli government. Not all Israeli's support what their government is doing so it's not a good idea to generalise.

What % of the population are conscripts in the Zionist occupying force - they should be classed as illegal combatants

Analien49451 · 17/12/2023 23:24

braticus · 17/12/2023 23:23

@Analien49451 I think it would help if you kept your criticism to the Israeli government. Not all Israeli's support what their government is doing so it's not a good idea to generalise.

I would rather use the term Zionists , and please do not jump on the antisemitic bandwagon, the Zionists can do no wrong ?

braticus · 17/12/2023 23:23

@Analien49451 I think it would help if you kept your criticism to the Israeli government. Not all Israeli's support what their government is doing so it's not a good idea to generalise.

plusjamais · 17/12/2023 23:22

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It's because your posts have been horrendously antisemitic. And now a terrorist-apologist it seems.

Analien49451 · 17/12/2023 23:20

Xenia · 17/12/2023 20:33

My views have not changed in support of Israel at the start and now. I do not support censorship however as I would rather see the 5th column, enemy within our land of the UK as it were so we know what we are up against in our fight to preserve the UK, US and Israeli democracies.

The huge Hamas tunnels Israel has been showing the world today illustrate yet again the terrorist enemies to our freedom which are Hamas. Hamas has spent millions whilst its people get very little of the money. People are nothing to Hamas.

Israel is an occupying force committing genocide

Analien49451 · 17/12/2023 23:19

Livinginanotherworld · 17/12/2023 22:43

I’m so sorry you are embarrassed. If you are Jewish, what gives you the right to speak for all Jews though ? Serious question. Although I would be embarrassed if I supported all the bombing of innocent men women and children too.

Well said ! It's like nobody can speak against Israelis .

Analien49451 · 17/12/2023 23:18

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 17/12/2023 22:55

@25milesfromhome it's disgusting - and others see it for what it is too (I'm not Jewish).

25milesfromhome · 17/12/2023 22:55

stomachameleon · 17/12/2023 22:47

@Livinginanotherworld once again that makes no sense.
What are you talking about?

Just another day, just another derail.

25milesfromhome · 17/12/2023 22:49

@Livinginanotherworld it’s almost like you get a little kick out of goading Jewish posters on MN.

25milesfromhome · 17/12/2023 22:48

Livinginanotherworld · 17/12/2023 22:43

I’m so sorry you are embarrassed. If you are Jewish, what gives you the right to speak for all Jews though ? Serious question. Although I would be embarrassed if I supported all the bombing of innocent men women and children too.

Still with the same tired, offensive, assumptive rhetoric.
I don’t speak for all Jews, I speak for myself. You’re not Jewish, so you don’t get to speak for any Jews at all, not a one. Your arrogance and ignorance is off the scale, I don’t presume to speak about other ethnicities, minorities and cultures as if I know better than them.

ETA a word.

stomachameleon · 17/12/2023 22:47

@Livinginanotherworld once again that makes no sense.
What are you talking about?

Livinginanotherworld · 17/12/2023 22:43

I’m so sorry you are embarrassed. If you are Jewish, what gives you the right to speak for all Jews though ? Serious question. Although I would be embarrassed if I supported all the bombing of innocent men women and children too.

25milesfromhome · 17/12/2023 22:34

Livinginanotherworld · 17/12/2023 21:50

I was using the ‘royal’ you. The posters who don’t want a ceasefire and who won’t listen to anyone else’s point of view.

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Ah, so you weren’t actually talking to me at all because I clearly am listening to other people’s points of view, otherwise I wouldn’t be replying to them. Yet more supposition from you about others’ views on a ceasefire because you have absolutely no idea what the royal “we” think about it.
And yet here you are, still doubling down on speaking for, over and about Jews, it’s just embarrassing now.

stomachameleon · 17/12/2023 22:13

Isn't it the royal 'we'?
It's a bit ironic saying that your point of view isn't listened to. I am listening but I don't have to agrees with you.

Analien49451 · 17/12/2023 22:10

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Livinginanotherworld · 17/12/2023 21:50

25milesfromhome · 17/12/2023 17:57

And @Livinginanotherworld as you’re so keen to demand I answer your questions, are you not so keen to answer my question about who you think I am and who exactly you mean by “you”?

I was using the ‘royal’ you. The posters who don’t want a ceasefire and who won’t listen to anyone else’s point of view.

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