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Hamas planned attacks on Jewish people in Europe

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Shhhhivegotasecret · 14/12/2023 22:35

Have seen in the news - I suspect it’s the tip of the iceberg and absolutely terrifying for Jewish people everywhere. Hamas need to be stopped, hopefully this helps to reinforce that they are a terrorist group and not some romantic notion about being ‘freedom fighters’

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etmoiandme · 16/12/2023 09:46

Absolutely disgusted with some of the comments on this thread. No wonder Jewish people feel threatened. And bearing in mind some PP's will be tempering their comments to fall within Mumsnet moderation and talk guidelines.

Christmascountdownpanic · 16/12/2023 09:25

OuiOuiKitty · 15/12/2023 20:34

We keep getting told that civillians get killed in wars. That's what happens apparently. So if it happens in countries that are backing Israel and supporting this war then that's what happens in wars. It's no different than the 1000s of innocent Palestinians that have been killed and maimed. If you support war you might get dragged into it, civillians might get killed. I don't know why some posters who have been very vocal about the fact that civillians get killed that's just what happens suddenly seem to care that more civillians might get killed. Seems like double standards to me.

There is a massive difference between a war and a terrorist attack.

Germany, the Netherlands and Denmark are not involved in the war in Gaza and do not deserve terrorist attacks from hamas or other groups in their countries. Didn't Denmark vote for a ceasefire.

Your post reads like you couldn't care less if terrorists attack them because of deaths in the war in Palestine. It reads like you support attacks or at least not condemn them or actually care about them.

Christmascountdownpanic · 16/12/2023 09:12

Pizdietz · 16/12/2023 08:59

The narrative in your head is becoming clearer, and the irrational projections are incredible!

Just because I challenge the use of biased, inflammatory (and potentially Hamas-propaganda) terms like "genocide" and "war crimes," you and your gang see me as a white middle-class lady in pearls, gloating "KILL KILL KILL!!!" because I despise, errrrmmmm, people with a different colour skin (??????). Or something like that...

I mean, this is just too childish and pathetic to even begin to unpick. You take offence at my posts because you either can't or won't understand them. We've crossed paths enough times for you to have seen my longer/more careful explanations, so it's pointless repeating them!

War is inherently a crime against humanity. And as wars go, this is (to put it mildly) an unusually difficult one for both sides. That's why I disagree with the labels you attach to it.

The funny thing is how clear you are about what you think should happen to anyone who opposes your views. What you hope will "come to my door." Astonishing.

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The exchange and comments were odd.

EasternStandard · 16/12/2023 09:07

Pizdietz · 16/12/2023 08:59

The narrative in your head is becoming clearer, and the irrational projections are incredible!

Just because I challenge the use of biased, inflammatory (and potentially Hamas-propaganda) terms like "genocide" and "war crimes," you and your gang see me as a white middle-class lady in pearls, gloating "KILL KILL KILL!!!" because I despise, errrrmmmm, people with a different colour skin (??????). Or something like that...

I mean, this is just too childish and pathetic to even begin to unpick. You take offence at my posts because you either can't or won't understand them. We've crossed paths enough times for you to have seen my longer/more careful explanations, so it's pointless repeating them!

War is inherently a crime against humanity. And as wars go, this is (to put it mildly) an unusually difficult one for both sides. That's why I disagree with the labels you attach to it.

The funny thing is how clear you are about what you think should happen to anyone who opposes your views. What you hope will "come to my door." Astonishing.

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What you hope will "come to my door." it is astonishing also not wise since any terrorist event randomly impacts regardless of what pp post on mumsnet

Christmascountdownpanic · 16/12/2023 09:06

WibbleWobbleFlop · 16/12/2023 08:49

Honestly, some posters will never believe that the threat to Jewish people worldwide is legitimate. Millions of Jewish people could be murdered in Europe and North America, and many people would still say there is no credible source or the whole thing is being doctored to fit Israel's agenda.

Yep.
Some tie themselves in knots to blame Israel for everything.

Pizdietz · 16/12/2023 08:59

OuiOuiKitty · 15/12/2023 23:16

No. You want to post about masks slipping etc go ahead but it's almost 11:30, I have covid and absolutely no desire to engage in a discussion with someone with that kind of narrative in their head.

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The narrative in your head is becoming clearer, and the irrational projections are incredible!

Just because I challenge the use of biased, inflammatory (and potentially Hamas-propaganda) terms like "genocide" and "war crimes," you and your gang see me as a white middle-class lady in pearls, gloating "KILL KILL KILL!!!" because I despise, errrrmmmm, people with a different colour skin (??????). Or something like that...

I mean, this is just too childish and pathetic to even begin to unpick. You take offence at my posts because you either can't or won't understand them. We've crossed paths enough times for you to have seen my longer/more careful explanations, so it's pointless repeating them!

War is inherently a crime against humanity. And as wars go, this is (to put it mildly) an unusually difficult one for both sides. That's why I disagree with the labels you attach to it.

The funny thing is how clear you are about what you think should happen to anyone who opposes your views. What you hope will "come to my door." Astonishing.

WibbleWobbleFlop · 16/12/2023 08:49

Honestly, some posters will never believe that the threat to Jewish people worldwide is legitimate. Millions of Jewish people could be murdered in Europe and North America, and many people would still say there is no credible source or the whole thing is being doctored to fit Israel's agenda.

Christmascountdownpanic · 16/12/2023 07:39

I'll post a few different links some don't like main stream sources.

Christmascountdownpanic · 16/12/2023 07:36

Livinginanotherworld · 15/12/2023 23:30

No they are not lying as such, but the narrative is being manipulated to scare monger. Potential terrorist attacks are alway being flagged by the security services, most thank god, are thwarted before anything happens. It’s only massive news because of the situation. Several months before Oct 07 there was a massive operation which thankfully foiled what would have been a horrendous attack in mainland Europe. There was also another in the spring which thwarted a potential plot in the UK. The threat level in Uk and Europe has been high for years. Many operators also may act independently, but in the name of the many hundreds of terror organisations around the world. Sadly it’s the world we live in.
Obviously the support that the UK an most of Europe are giving to Israel will make them a target, but from anyone.

Support for Israel is massively waning around the world that’s a fact, it’s suits governments to manipulate this and garner support for Israel again.

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I really don't think that Denmark, The Netherlands and Germany are making up these terrorist arrests to 'garner support for Israel '. They really did arrest terrorist suspects. There are numerous news outlets covering this.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/14/europe/hamas-suspects-arrested-terror-plot-europe-intl/index.html

Four suspected members of Hamas arrested in Europe over alleged terrorism plot | CNN

Three were arrested in Germany and one in the Netherlands on suspicion of planning attacks on Jewish institutions in Europe, Germany’s federal prosecutor said.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/14/europe/hamas-suspects-arrested-terror-plot-europe-intl/index.html

quantumbutterfly · 16/12/2023 07:15

When you say anyone would target Europe & UK for their 'support' of Israel, who are you referring to?

Livinginanotherworld · 15/12/2023 23:30

stomachameleon · 15/12/2023 23:03

@Livinginanotherworld

So they are lying then?

www.lbc.co.uk/news/hamas-operatives-arrested-europe-plot-against-jewish-institutions-foiled/

It's involved several countries and several intelligence groups and they all have it wrong? Even though Hamas have operated in other countries... Lebanon, Egypt etc?

Do terrorists not travel?

No they are not lying as such, but the narrative is being manipulated to scare monger. Potential terrorist attacks are alway being flagged by the security services, most thank god, are thwarted before anything happens. It’s only massive news because of the situation. Several months before Oct 07 there was a massive operation which thankfully foiled what would have been a horrendous attack in mainland Europe. There was also another in the spring which thwarted a potential plot in the UK. The threat level in Uk and Europe has been high for years. Many operators also may act independently, but in the name of the many hundreds of terror organisations around the world. Sadly it’s the world we live in.
Obviously the support that the UK an most of Europe are giving to Israel will make them a target, but from anyone.

Support for Israel is massively waning around the world that’s a fact, it’s suits governments to manipulate this and garner support for Israel again.

OuiOuiKitty · 15/12/2023 23:16

Totallymessed · 15/12/2023 23:08

It's not clear to me either - could you explain? So there isn't any misunderstanding.

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No. You want to post about masks slipping etc go ahead but it's almost 11:30, I have covid and absolutely no desire to engage in a discussion with someone with that kind of narrative in their head.

Livinginanotherworld · 15/12/2023 23:11

Desertrose2023 · 15/12/2023 13:43

I see the typical bullying tactics didn’t take long and the slandering from Pro Israel posters started almost immediately.

this thread is to discuss the alleged threat posed by Hamas outside of Israel. Arguing that Hamas does not pose a credible threat outside of Israel is not the same as supporting them.

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Totallymessed · 15/12/2023 23:08

OuiOuiKitty · 15/12/2023 21:57

Soz you don't think it makes sense 🤷🏻‍♀️

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It's not clear to me either - could you explain? So there isn't any misunderstanding.

stomachameleon · 15/12/2023 23:03

@Livinginanotherworld

So they are lying then?

www.lbc.co.uk/news/hamas-operatives-arrested-europe-plot-against-jewish-institutions-foiled/

It's involved several countries and several intelligence groups and they all have it wrong? Even though Hamas have operated in other countries... Lebanon, Egypt etc?

Do terrorists not travel?

Silence1 · 15/12/2023 22:54

@Totallymessed No

Livinginanotherworld · 15/12/2023 22:53

Toothyfruity · 15/12/2023 09:07

Those who don't approve of the use of children as human shields presumably also condemn the IDF for using them?

Does anyone have information on attacks carried out outside of Israel and the Occupied Territories by Hamas? I'd be interested in learning the history of this.

Hamas do not operate outside the occupied territories and certainly not in Europe. This is all conjecture and fear mongering by the western msm. Neither country have verified that these are Hamas.

Can anyone name one instance of a Hamas operation in Europe ! It’s not in their interests. It’s blatant scare mongering.

Totallymessed · 15/12/2023 22:53

Silence1 · 15/12/2023 22:48

@Pizdietz Germany supplied Israel with £32 million of weapons in 2022.
In 2023 that has risen to £303 million with I think 185 of 213 export licences being urgently approved after 7/10 . To supply weapons which have killed maimed and mutilated thousands .

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So, just to clarify, you do think German civilians are a justifiable target for attacks by Hamas or other terrorist groups?

Silence1 · 15/12/2023 22:48

Pizdietz · 15/12/2023 21:19

Germany is a big supporter of attempted genocide, they've involved themselves in this as has the UK and the US. You can't sit around being like fuck yeah war then act surprised when it comes to your doorstep

Are you saying that anyone who supports Israel's right to defend itself from further terrorist attacks, like those of 7 Oct, which Hamas has promised to repeat, is a legitimate target of further terrorism?

@Pizdietz Germany supplied Israel with £32 million of weapons in 2022.
In 2023 that has risen to £303 million with I think 185 of 213 export licences being urgently approved after 7/10 . To supply weapons which have killed maimed and mutilated thousands .

Christmascountdownpanic · 15/12/2023 22:40

Pizdietz · 15/12/2023 21:19

Germany is a big supporter of attempted genocide, they've involved themselves in this as has the UK and the US. You can't sit around being like fuck yeah war then act surprised when it comes to your doorstep

Are you saying that anyone who supports Israel's right to defend itself from further terrorist attacks, like those of 7 Oct, which Hamas has promised to repeat, is a legitimate target of further terrorism?

Wow. It certainly comes over that way.

OuiOuiKitty · 15/12/2023 22:18

Totallymessed · 15/12/2023 22:10

You seem to have finally given up on pretending you're just an anti-zionist. Some very interesting posts today, the masks are truly off.

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I wouldn't see the point in wearing a mask? I don't think being anti war, anti genocide and pro ceasefire is anything to be ashamed of.

Totallymessed · 15/12/2023 22:10

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You seem to have finally given up on pretending you're just an anti-zionist. Some very interesting posts today, the masks are truly off.