Hamas planned attacks on Jewish people in Europe

This ! How can these people be called terrorists when they haven’t terrorised anyone ? They are not guilty of anything yet, probably held with little evidence as well. If they had done, then yes they would be, but they haven’t so they are not.

@TriOptimim @Desertrose2023

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"I will call happily call them that when they’ve been convicted of terrorism. Until then I’ll stick with bad people. Thanks."

Hmm...

I did not say that. Hamas are terrorists. I will call people who have been arrested in Germany and Denmark terrorists when they are convicted of terrorism. Leave me alone now.

False accusation? You literally just said yoy won't call them terrorists.

No I am not saying that. I have said repeatedly on other threads that they are terrorists. I hope that clarifies the issue for you and the others on this thread and others who are seeking to make this false accusation against me.

'Bad people ' the most delusional post of the year award.

Thought this was interesting. Photo from 1941.

Trump supporters is the US are always muttering darkly about what they don't want us to know when they're talking about Jan 6 or vote counting. Some posts in this thread are reminding me of them.

Yep. Madness

There’s some astonishing minimising going on in this thread. Hamas are not terrorists they are bad people? Like the villains in a Blyton book or something? Five go on a sadistic rampage?
And the conspiracy theories. Incredible.

That, I think is a matter of opinion, I’ll respect yours but I expect you to respect others who don’t agree with.

Of course it's a matter of opinion. I respect peoples' right to make claims and to express them, but I don't have to respect the claims themselves. Claims don't inherently deserve respect.

@Livinginanotherworld the point is we Don't know either way and yet some governments are that concerned they have issued statements and made arrests.

That, I think is a matter of opinion, I’ll respect yours but I expect you to respect others who don’t agree with.

You're right, apologies, I did change my name a few weeks ago. In fact I completely deleted my account, which I'd had for a few years. I now only post from VPNs and falsify my personal details. I know that's paranoid, but the level of pure malice on here is mindblowing. Maybe I'm just not used to social media nowadays.

There are some seriously conspiracy-theory-style claims being made on this thread.

The quotes below are from the Danish PM, a country which just recently voted for a ceasefire

“They” are the western governments who are supporting and sending arms to Israel. They want to justify their claim to stand with Israel. If we are frightened of terrorist attacks, we will want them to give arms and financial aid to keep us safe. This is their plan. Get us scared of the big bad terrorists, then we won’t be protesting on the streets wanting a ceasefire.

It’s another ruse to portray all Palestinians as Hamas
None of the suspects arrested in Germany was Palestinian.

But I do agree with you when you say "we all have enough to worry about in life with the world the way it is". Yes, Jewish people in particular. As these reports show.

You see this is it, the word “allegedly” again.
Crime reporting uses "allegedly" where cases have not yet been to court. It is the basic principle of innocent until proven guilty, which I'm sure you agree with and rightly so in a civilised society. However, the word is still used even where there are reasonable grounds to suspect a person has engaged in wrongdoing.

And in the same sentence the claim “ long standing members of Hamas” then the contradiction “ closely linked to Hamas” which is it ?
No contradiction. What the sentence actually says is the suspects “have been longstanding members of Hamas" and then that they are "closely linked to the leadership of Hamas’ military wing".
Not "closely linked to Hamas". Linked to the leadership of the military wing.

The secret services the world over have 1000’s of people on their watch lists. They tend to link them all together, it suits the narrative at the moment to imply they are Hamas. They don’t know this for a fact
Do you seriously think this is how secret services work?!

they are not interested in having to organise overseas terror plans, it’s not their MO and never has been.
Oh, okay, let's all just believe everything Hamas say and write, as clearly they are completely honest.

They detain people under terrorist offences on a weekly basis, you rarely read it in the main stream news though.
Yes, this is true - plenty of terror investigations do not make the news. For security reasons many investigations are subject to extremely restricted reporting. Germany, for example, has very strict restrictions around what can be reported in these cases and how. Hence the use of the word "allegedly".

They want you all frightened to justify sending arms and troops to wherever suits them.
Who is "they" here? Genuine question. Just trying to follow your logic.

I have nowhere made excuses for anything, I was merely pointing out how these things are phrased to suit the narrative. It’s just fear mongering, we all have enough to worry about in life with the world the way it is, scaring people into thinking Hamas will attack in Europe when it’s highly unlikely is just adding to peoples fear, so no ‘shame on me’ thank you very much.

You have just said it yourself, lots of terrorists have sleeper cells. That is a fact, what is not a fact, is the propaganda that Hamas will attack Europe, this is nuts. You don’t know this, the secret services don’t know this. We are just as likely to have an ISIS attack but you didn’t see that plastered all over the news the other day did you. It’s another ruse to portray all Palestinians as Hamas and allow western governments to justify sending more arms and finance to Israel.

We always say 'allegedly' until some is convicted. It's in Al jeezera

www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/15/denmark-detains-two-people-amid-terror-investigation

Lots of terrorist organisations have sleeper cells. They aren't otherwise engaged most of their leadership don't even live in Gaza.

Some people will make excuses for anything. Shame on you.

You see this is it, the word “allegedly” again. And in the same sentence the claim “ long standing members of Hamas” then the contradiction “ closely linked to Hamas” which is it ? It can’t be both. The secret services the world over have 1000’s of people on their watch lists. They tend to link them all together, it suits the narrative at the moment to imply they are Hamas. They don’t know this for a fact, they imply and assume to get everyone stirred up and frightened.

Hamas have enough going on in the M.E. to deal with, they are not interested in having to organise overseas terror plans, it’s not their MO and never has been. They are concerned with Palestine, that’s their reason for being.

They detain people under terrorist offences on a weekly basis, you rarely read it in the main stream news though. They want you all frightened to justify sending arms and troops to wherever suits them.

Yes. Part of this

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hamas-germany-denmark-terror-attacks-foiled-against-jewish-targets/