Hamas planned attacks on Jewish people in Europe

You'd think they have caused enough of a catastrophy in Gaza without spreading to Europe.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/12/14/hamas-plot-attack-jewish-sites-europe-foiled-police/

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/is-the-israel-hamas-war-spilling-over-into-europe

Getting back to the thread, as a pp said, this has implications for everyone who doesn’t adhere to Hamas’ interpretation of an accepted religion.
I believe they also reserve the right to invade Spain, which seems nuts, but then terrorists are rarely rational.

@Toothyfruity great, I might look in to that later. Can we go back to the discussion about Hamas spreading their terrorism all over the world now, and how big of a disaster that will be both for Jews everywhere but also for the Palestinian cause? Because obviously the world will have to step in to put a stop to Hamas, that will become their new focus. A Palestinian state and even the war in Gaza will fall further down their list of priorities as they will have to focus on preventing terrorism on their own soil instead

You aren’t correct in assuming where her sympathy lies. The Occupied Territories is an official term and a legal status. My Israeli friend corrected me very swiftly when I referred to Palestine once.

https://imeu.org/article/what-are-the-occupied-territories

There is nothing laudable about Hamas.

The attacks on October 7th against Israeli citizens were horrific and unjustifiable.

Likewise, the indiscriminate attacks on Palestinian citizens by the Israeli government are indefensible and barbaric.

I was aghast at people marching for Palestine and Hamas in the wake of 7th October (prior to the bombing starting), and the people on social media praising Hamas’ treatment of hostages, who were taken in the midst of a massacre, are fools.

I am disgusted and horrified at the Israeli government’s genocide of Palestinian citizens, and am appalled by anyone who thinks this genocide is defensible. Blaming Hamas hiding amongst citizens as an excuse is particularly pathetic. The understanding is that civilians, and particularly children, will not be fired at.

If you can justify one side killing civilians, then you are excusing the other side also and have no argument and no moral highground.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shields_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict#:~:text=The%20accusation%20of%20the%20use,the%20opposing%20side%20from%20attacking.

In the absence of knowing what is and isn't acceptable to you here's a wiki link. You can go through the sources there and decide for yourself what you trust and what you don't. I've included a screenshot of a recent incident.

The IDF openly and apparently legally used human shields until the mid 00s when an Israeli court outlawed it. Since then it's been done illegally.

Gaza hasn't been occupied by Israel since 2005.

Your use of 'Occupied Territories' shows exactly where your sympathy lies.

Well they are occupied. Are we supposed to pretend they aren’t because Hamas ?

They always have. It's just that now there are four police cars and six guards in stab vests, instead of two cars and two guards.

This is a thread about the rising threat to Jews in the diaspora.

Your post has nothing to do with that.

@PurpleChrayne How disturbing that children's Chanukah parties need security.

Hamas is absolutely spreading and is no longer just a threat in Israel.

https://apple.news/Abh0Bujd8TDyhwUFQWCbtXw
@Malificent1
I imagine the first of many.

I'm a British Jew and I am very shaken by this.

Of course, I was aware it was a distinct possibility, but to have it proven is pretty upsetting.

Security has been tighter than usual at DD's school, and at the children's Chanukah parties we've been attending this past week.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing pro-Palestine marchers etc speaking out against this openly. If they do, they're the kind of people who can hopefully one day be a part of the solution to this whole problem. So hopefully there will be lots of them!

Honestly, I'm not even saying it didn't happen. I have no idea. I just know I won't take the word of an incredibly biased source from an incredibly biased poster, which I think is a perfectly reasonable thing to not want to do

OP, do you have a link please? Thanks.

Anything on any neutral media anywhere? And if not, maybe time to ask yourself why

@Toothyfruity In fairness to @Humdingerydoo, it is reasonable to think Israel and Palestine would both be biased and have potential to spread their own propaganda. I tend to avoid any articles from either area. Unfortunately this does mean some very legitimate claims and stories are unread.

I agree with the first bit. The second bit... Yes, it was predictable to Jews all over the world that it would spread because we know what Hamas is really after and it is not a two state solution and it's not just about the ME. However, so many people on here and elsewhere on social media seem to genuinely think that's what Hamas want so I guess to them it wasn't predictable. I'm hoping they'll now be outraged rather than try to defend it and excuse it with nonsense about context. There is no context that can justify them wanting to murder people for being Jewish. I hope we can all agree on that, now that it's surely clear to everyone that's what Hamas want.

Maybe you need to broaden your news sources.

Will you send me a list of approved sources then? I presume all human rights organisations who call Israel out and all Arab media is not acceptable?

How would you end Hamas intentions of further attacks?

This whole lengthy and internationally unpopular war is a bad idea, and should end.

It is entirely and tragically predictable that continuing it would lead to it spreading beyond borders. It's very upsetting.

I've never seen that.