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Dehumanising of Palestinians

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dreamingdays · 06/12/2023 22:13

The persistent dehumanising of Palestinian civilians is everywhere, including here on MN and across social media, the news and more.

From branding all civilians including babies and young children as terrorists, to people saying innocent children sent to jail as deserving it, posts smearing all Palestinians with celebrating terrorist atrocities, others celebrating the death of young children (yes really), to politicians branding them “children of darkness”. To Palestinian men all lumped as Hamas or rapists. Palestinians called human animals or worse.

To the language used to describe Palestinians in the news is completely different, often using double standards. I also feel that leeway and downplaying is given towards people being racist towards Palestinians. It is brushed off or ignored or denied, not always taken seriously.

Maltreatment of Palestinian civilians is also ignored or excused or waved away and minimised, outright denied or ignored by many.

it just really gets me down. Please everyone, remember Palestinians are human beings. They have families, jobs, culture, skills, likes and dislikes, empathy and humanity.

if you see anyone displaying or downplaying racist attitudes, or making offensive dehumanising remarks please call them out. Please also take time to recognise and challenge dehumanising language used in the media and elsewhere.

On a broader level this dehumanising emboldens those undertaking their mistreatment, excuses and justifies illegal violence made towards them, as well as affecting each Palestinian on an individual level.

The same obviously goes for anyone using dehumanising language to anyone, whatever their nationality or religion.

Palestinians need support now.

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dreamingdays · 08/12/2023 18:17

@Echobelly @AdamRyan thank you both Flowers

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AdamRyan · 08/12/2023 18:16

We aren't going to get anywhere if people can't moderate their dehumanising language. I hate it.

Echobelly · 08/12/2023 18:15

As a Jew and a descendent of Holocaust survivors and as just a human being, this dehumanising is, after the violence and death, the worst thing. I'm sorry but it really is like what the Nazis did to my grandfather's family and all other European Jews they had power over. It's a betrayal of their memories.

Humdingerydoo · 08/12/2023 18:12

AdamRyan · 08/12/2023 18:03

Yes you. Thats your opinion and its a pretty offensive way to refer to Israelis.

I appreciate you standing up for "the other side". Thank you :)

wooshh · 08/12/2023 18:12

You can report me as much as you like but you cannot erase the ethnic cleansing that's been happening!

AdamRyan · 08/12/2023 18:03

Yes you. Thats your opinion and its a pretty offensive way to refer to Israelis.

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wooshh · 08/12/2023 17:50

Who have you reported? Me for stating the obvious?

AdamRyan · 08/12/2023 17:43

That's disgusting. I've reported you.

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dreamingdays · 08/12/2023 17:36

PeasfullPerson · 08/12/2023 17:33

Not everyone has lost their way ❤️

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-67592468

thank you, that was a ray of sunlight amid all the current darkness.❤️

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dreamingdays · 08/12/2023 17:36

Aswad · 08/12/2023 17:06

Thank you OP for putting this so eloquently. These people have no way of escaping, are running out of food and water and they cannot even defend themselves! It’s the complete annihilation of the Palestinian people.

Thank you @Aswad

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Aswad · 08/12/2023 17:06

Thank you OP for putting this so eloquently. These people have no way of escaping, are running out of food and water and they cannot even defend themselves! It’s the complete annihilation of the Palestinian people.

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dreamingdays · 08/12/2023 10:09

@feralunderclass thank you. It's very concerning. Flowers

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feralunderclass · 08/12/2023 09:42

Thank you so much for this thread OP. I have been so disgusted by the Israeli government rhetoric concerning Palestinians and some posters on here, who not only seek to dehumanise Palestinians, but pathologize those who are concerned about them. It's absolutely sickening.

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dreamingdays · 07/12/2023 23:21

Thank you @AdamRyan for showing humanity when so many are not.

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AdamRyan · 07/12/2023 11:54

I agree OP
The latest plan to direct Gazans to none existent safe zones that move around depending on what IDF want to do is just one example. The Gazans are being treated like cattle, and if they can't move and get killed, well that's their fault for not doing what they were told.

Have also been on a thread where its been said repeatedly that Palestinians support Hamas, despite no elections for nearly 20 years, and Hamas being a violent terrorist organisation. How on earth can anyone know that Palestinians support Hamas?

That no states want Palestinians because they are anarchic trouble makers. Implying it's their own fault they are trapped in a city under siege.

And also that Israelis need to eradicate Hamas, there is no way to distinguish Hamas from Palestinian civilians, but I'm being goady and straw manning to point out the logical conclusion of that is eradication of Palestinians?

It's disgusting, I was originally behind the Israelis but the disproportionate nature if their respinse combined with absolute callous way Palestinians are being talked about has made me a lot less sympathetic than I was.

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dreamingdays · 07/12/2023 11:41

@ScrollingLeaves agreed, it is all too horrific to contemplate.

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ScrollingLeaves · 07/12/2023 11:38

Sorry for the mistakes. I meant the leaders of Gaza.

ScrollingLeaves · 07/12/2023 11:35

dreamingdays · 07/12/2023 11:17

Thanks for explaining.

Obviously any mob mentality behaviour is awful and in no way do I agree with it, it is even worse in such a violent context. Nor am I denying it happens.

One of the dangers of this conflict is to see a video of an event like that and assume it is the modus operandi for all or most or even a significant minority of a population.

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I absolutely agree it is a danger of conflating a whole society with one mob on one day.

Also, I know without doubt that we too are well capable of mob mentality too. Unfortunately the terrible aspect here, and the difference, is how the leaders and Gaza seem to have incited this. It was stupid of them imo and does them no good in the eyes of the world.

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dreamingdays · 07/12/2023 11:17

ScrollingLeaves · 07/12/2023 11:05

I meant the ordinary Palestinians, who were not Hamas fighters or fighters from one of the other militant groups, but who got through the broken fence on Oct 7.

There seems to have been a systematised orgy of killing and raping incited among all of them Hamas/other militant terrorist fighters, and opportunists alike.

Of course not all Palestinians are like that, and I do not mean to smear all Palestinians at all, but there was also a mob jeering at the naked girl being paraded in the back of the pick-up and people spitting on her.

I suspect the mothers, sisters, cousins etc of these men either do not know or think these women were ‘Haram’ any way. But it was these fighters and marauders who were not Islam imo.

By the way I do know there are English/American etc men who would do this too if their leaders/commanders gave them the chance.

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Thanks for explaining.

Obviously any mob mentality behaviour is awful and in no way do I agree with it, it is even worse in such a violent context. Nor am I denying it happens.

One of the dangers of this conflict is to see a video of an event like that and assume it is the modus operandi for all or most or even a significant minority of a population.

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ScrollingLeaves · 07/12/2023 11:09

Here are some statistics related to Palestinian vs Israeli deaths due to all the conflicts over the years.

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Dehumanising of Palestinians
ScrollingLeaves · 07/12/2023 11:05

dreamingdays · 07/12/2023 10:11

Also, Islam or not, ordinary Palestinians as well as Hamas fighters were savage, vicious, sadistic rapists, and were systematically so, on Oct 7.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. The atrocities were carried out by Hamas (yes they were Palestinian). What do you mean by the word "ordinary Palestinians". That seems like an intentional smear to me.

I meant the ordinary Palestinians, who were not Hamas fighters or fighters from one of the other militant groups, but who got through the broken fence on Oct 7.

There seems to have been a systematised orgy of killing and raping incited among all of them Hamas/other militant terrorist fighters, and opportunists alike.

Of course not all Palestinians are like that, and I do not mean to smear all Palestinians at all, but there was also a mob jeering at the naked girl being paraded in the back of the pick-up and people spitting on her.

I suspect the mothers, sisters, cousins etc of these men either do not know or think these women were ‘Haram’ any way. But it was these fighters and marauders who were not Islam imo.

By the way I do know there are English/American etc men who would do this too if their leaders/commanders gave them the chance.

crackofdoom · 07/12/2023 10:56

I think the current Israeli government and the IDF have done themselves absolutely no favours in the wording of many of their public statements and quotes, which have been picked up and broadcast worldwide. They obviously don't understand/care how they're coming across, but it's losing them essential international support.

It's possible that Hamas may be coming out with similarly inflammatory material, but you can't help noticing that their spokespeople aren't given the same platform that the IDF are.