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Horrors of violence towards women on October the 7th suppressed

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mids2019 · 04/12/2023 21:05

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67613153

It looks like the UN may have been reluctant to investigate or highlight the sickening sexual violence committed on October 7th. It also appears some of the hostages may have been abused.

Was this because the horrendous violence doesn't fit in with that purely Palestinians are victims of this ongoing conflict? Are investigations into these crimes because women are viewed as second class citizens or the revelations 'muddy the waters' where some just want to see one side as the victim.

Israeli soldiers hug as they look at pictures of the Nova music festival victims at the site of the festival near Kibbutz Reim

Hamas planned sexual violence as weapon of war - Israeli campaigner

An Israeli campaigner says militants planned acts of sexual violence committed in October's attack.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67613153

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stomachameleon · 05/12/2023 18:29

@Anotherdayanotherdiet I was being sarcastic as in that's what you are expecting of Israel.

SomeCatFromJapan · 05/12/2023 18:29

Because if your answer is yes, then do you condemn the rape of Palestinian women at the hands of the idf soldiers?

I mean... obviously yes? However that isn't the the topic of this particular thread.

Depdawg · 05/12/2023 18:28

MercanDede · 05/12/2023 18:18

You are wishing for an echo chamber, debates involve back and forth of differing opinions.

It's the echo Chambers, we are trying to
Escape.
The irony eludes many of you.

Docmcstuffins2020 · 05/12/2023 18:26

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Depdawg · 05/12/2023 18:26

SomeCatFromJapan · 05/12/2023 18:24

Well this thread has gone on a very predictable direction, hasn't it?

Some people are really uncomfortable with acknowledging how bad Hamas actually are.

I think there are quite a few name changes, as well.
The posting pattern is hard to miss.

Anotherdayanotherdiet · 05/12/2023 18:25

There just aren't enough of these

It is though.
We’ve got the ‘I NeEd aN iNdePenDaNt SouRcE to VerIfY RaPE’ post

Then a few posts down we’ve got
“can you link to 'thousands of women make that complaint about the IDF' please? Verify it for me with individual accounts and footage? Or just the headcam worn by the IDF soldiers will be ok”

And I guess we’re not meant to notice they contradict each other. * *

For* what’s *its worth I do believe that the hostages were treated badly because look who took them hostage. The people who’d just committed mass murder. It’s just the whole “oh the IDF never hurt anyone, let’s see you prove it” kinda imply’s some posters don’t care if the victim happens to be Palestinian.

SomeCatFromJapan · 05/12/2023 18:24

Well this thread has gone on a very predictable direction, hasn't it?

Some people are really uncomfortable with acknowledging how bad Hamas actually are.

backtowinter · 05/12/2023 18:24

TwilightSkies · 05/12/2023 18:19

Why on earth some just cannot condemn the terrorists, without any proviso, I dread to think.

Which terrorists are you referring to? The Israeli army they is committing genocide??

I was unaware the Israeli army had been designated as a terrorist organisation

Did I miss that?

Depdawg · 05/12/2023 18:24

Look up the definition of terrorists.
The clue is in the word.

backtowinter · 05/12/2023 18:23

@MercanDede
The thread title is quite clear.

Debate around whether and indeed why some of the details of what happened to these women in 7 October has been suppressed/downplayed, etc

But what about....... is not debate

Docmcstuffins2020 · 05/12/2023 18:23

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ooherrmissus14 · 05/12/2023 18:22

This has just been reported by the bbc

Hamas planned sexual violence as weapon of war - Israeli campaigner www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67613153

TwilightSkies · 05/12/2023 18:19

Why on earth some just cannot condemn the terrorists, without any proviso, I dread to think.

Which terrorists are you referring to? The Israeli army they is committing genocide??

MercanDede · 05/12/2023 18:18

Depdawg · 05/12/2023 18:09

There is a clear agenda to prevent these Hamas threads from being a place for constructive debate.
Why on earth some just cannot condemn the terrorists, without any proviso, I dread to think.

You are wishing for an echo chamber, debates involve back and forth of differing opinions.

Depdawg · 05/12/2023 18:17

Anotherdayanotherdiet · 05/12/2023 18:14

So you don't believe the Israeli women.

And you are suggesting that the IDF's actions in some way compare to those of Hamas. For which you've given no evidence.

The mind boggles.

No, I meant complaining that Israeli women should be believed but Palestinian women shouldn’t be believed is hypocritical.

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There just aren't enough of these
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stomachameleon · 05/12/2023 18:17

@Docmcstuffins2020 can you link to 'thousands of women make that complaint about the IDF' please? Verify it for me with individual accounts and footage? Or just the headcam worn by the IDF soldiers will be ok. For the thousands....

Israel was the subject of a brutal day of massacre. Whether they should have seen it coming or not, plastered it all over twitter with close ups of corpses, people crying and screaming whilst they scrapped the bodies up is their choice. People forget that bodies have to be buried all together if possible and ideally within 24 hours. People are inflicted their idea of what Israel should or shouldn't do or the PR game it should play because THEY demand answers. How rude.

Independent news teams where in Israel. Jeremy Bowen was with the IDF and reported. Matt frei was there. Ghoulish behaviour wanting them peering over the bodies. Would that make it ok then?

The Un have already released a statement. It's done. No question. Shame on you that you would doubt a woman whose pelvis has been broken? Or says she has been raped. Yeah #metoo... except when your Jewish

backtowinter · 05/12/2023 18:14

Depdawg · 05/12/2023 18:09

There is a clear agenda to prevent these Hamas threads from being a place for constructive debate.
Why on earth some just cannot condemn the terrorists, without any proviso, I dread to think.

Every thread

Whatabout.

Anotherdayanotherdiet · 05/12/2023 18:14

So you don't believe the Israeli women.

And you are suggesting that the IDF's actions in some way compare to those of Hamas. For which you've given no evidence.

The mind boggles.

No, I meant complaining that Israeli women should be believed but Palestinian women shouldn’t be believed is hypocritical.

Depdawg · 05/12/2023 18:14

SovietSpy · 05/12/2023 18:12

‘I NeEd aN iNdePenDaNt SouRcE to VerIfY RaPE’

jeez. Some of you are sick.

Perfectly sums it up, my friend. 👌

backtowinter · 05/12/2023 18:13

Silence1 · 05/12/2023 18:10

And of course the IDF is not opposed to allowing its own soldiers to be raped by prisoners. Ex-soldier: My commanders 'handed me over' to be raped by jailed terror convict | The Times of Israel

How is this relevant to the thread?

SovietSpy · 05/12/2023 18:12

‘I NeEd aN iNdePenDaNt SouRcE to VerIfY RaPE’

jeez. Some of you are sick.

Horrors of violence towards women on October the 7th suppressed
Silence1 · 05/12/2023 18:10

And of course the IDF is not opposed to allowing its own soldiers to be raped by prisoners. Ex-soldier: My commanders 'handed me over' to be raped by jailed terror convict | The Times of Israel

Depdawg · 05/12/2023 18:09

There is a clear agenda to prevent these Hamas threads from being a place for constructive debate.
Why on earth some just cannot condemn the terrorists, without any proviso, I dread to think.

Docmcstuffins2020 · 05/12/2023 18:09

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stomachameleon · 05/12/2023 18:07

@TwilightSkies derailing why? Does the topic make you uncomfortable?

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