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Why Can't Gazans Leave?

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miniaturepixieonacid · 04/12/2023 13:25

There is probably a very simple answer to this that I missed in early news reports.

It's so awful watching News Feeds that essentially seem to say that Gazans are having to move around in a cat and mouse game with the IDF to avoid bombs but have nowhere left to go.

I am very aware that war has casualties and other countries are at war. I am not necessarily saying that IDF should stop fighting.

But this war is different in that all civilians seem to be trapped. Normally war creates refugees. Ukrainians, Afghans, Syrians - they were able to get out. Not all, I know, but movement was an option and it kept civilian casualties down. Why can't Gazans leave Gaza?

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Notsuretoputit · 17/12/2023 22:19

MercanDede · 12/12/2023 22:28

There needs to be reform. There should be no special veto power for the allies from WWII (U.K., US, France, Russia and China).

The United Nations would break down if it attempted to carry out enforcement actions against a permanent member.

MercanDede · 17/12/2023 19:03

stormy4319trevor · 17/12/2023 18:23

@MercanDede I heard some released female detainees talk about women from Gaza being held in Israeli prisons. They were said to be held separately and their treatment was 'very bad.' It was not 140 women and girls though, so there has to be other places where they are kept, if they are still alive. There's no oversight at all, anything could be happening to them. Frankly, I'm really worried for them.

I am worried too. I am hoping it’s not a revenge move by IDF for Hamas raping and taking Israeli women hostage. The US & allies raped and murdered girls and women in Iraq and Afghanistan. Mentioning that in case anyone thinks I am antisemitically demonising IDF, it’s more that I think they are no better than any other armed group of men when it comes to the suffering they inflict on we women.

stormy4319trevor · 17/12/2023 18:23

@MercanDede I heard some released female detainees talk about women from Gaza being held in Israeli prisons. They were said to be held separately and their treatment was 'very bad.' It was not 140 women and girls though, so there has to be other places where they are kept, if they are still alive. There's no oversight at all, anything could be happening to them. Frankly, I'm really worried for them.

MercanDede · 17/12/2023 18:10

Just more and more tragedy.

The three Israeli hostages that escaped and were shot by IDF- shocking

Plus what is happening to the women and girls that have been arrested in Gaza?

”140 women and girls among thousands reportedly detained in north GazaThe UN’s human rights office says it received reports from the north of Gaza of mass detentions, ill-treatment and forced disappearances of possibly thousands of Palestinians at the hands of Israeli soldiers.

They include more than 100 women and girls, most rounded up as they attempted to move south or were taken during operations conducted on their homes, hospitals, schools and other places of refuge.
OHCHR in the occupied Palestinian territory also said:

  • Reports claim children as young as 12 and people as old as 70 are among those detained.
  • Reports suggest many of the detained were subjected to serious ill-treatment, which in some instances may amount to torture.
  • Credible information was also received about 140 women and girls arbitrarily detained and being held in undisclosed locations.
  • Civilians have been killed, including in apparent extrajudicial executions, in places of refuge, particularly schools.“
Parker231 · 16/12/2023 08:58

They’ve even destroyed the graveyard

Why Can't Gazans Leave?
Parker231 · 16/12/2023 08:57

They’ve even destroyed the graveyard

Efacsen · 16/12/2023 08:11

IDF reported a 'strike' on the Gaza Egypt border yesterday attacking smuggling tunnels - careful not to hit that wall now!

Misery of the people crammed into Rafah remains unabated

Efacsen · 16/12/2023 07:42

Pity @Parkingt111 s petition to have family members of people in Gaza come to the UK similar to Ukraine scheme was deleted - think it was probably because petitions have to go on the Petitions Board

EasterIssland · 15/12/2023 17:41

Thanks for the link for the petition

MissyB1 · 15/12/2023 17:29

Thanks for linking the petition @Parkingt111 signed.

Parkingt111 · 15/12/2023 15:52

The BBC have also reported on it including stories of people in the UK who have family trapped in Gaza. Some of them have been asked to move more than once and due to disabilities and other reasons are unable to do so

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67720176.amp

Children queuing to receive food in Rafah

British-Palestinians call for family visa scheme - BBC News

A letter sent by 80 families urges the government to set up a scheme for relatives trapped in Gaza.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67720176.amp

Parkingt111 · 15/12/2023 15:49

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Parker231 · 15/12/2023 13:58

Saw this on Twitter

Almost half of Gazans are now forced into Rafah

Yet, in Rafah overnight, Israeli airstrikes and bombs injured and killed hundreds of Palestine civilians, more than half of them children.

No where in Gaza is safe. This is Israel’s no-state solution.

Parkingt111 · 15/12/2023 10:40

Often for women there are additional difficulties living in the camps and tents. Sanitary products are hard to come by and hundreds sharing a toilet. I read some women were using any dirty scraps of cloths they could find in desperation when on their periods and they described the humiliation they felt of not being able to change or clean themselves
I really wish there was more we could do to help.

Efacsen · 15/12/2023 10:01

Continuing intense bombing in Khan Younis and Rafah - all 5 remaining hospitals are overwhelmed

It's stopped raining for now tho' everywhere on the ground where people are sleeping, cooking, caring for their children is still wet and soggy

mollyfolk · 15/12/2023 00:27

Parkingt111 · 14/12/2023 11:51

@Efacsen I was shocked when I saw the aftermath of the bombing in Rafah. Most of the civilians there as you mentioned are already displaced

I am also very concerned with the bombs that are being used after the recent report that has come to light.

I am waiting to see if Egypt responds to the bombing that is taking place close to the Egyptian border

I don’t think Egypt will respond from the looks of them & what they have been saying. What are the bombs?

MercanDede · 15/12/2023 00:20

That’s a gut punch. Why can’t they just stop?! It’s heartbreaking. It’s no place for children. This man made hell on Earth.

Whatamidoinhere · 15/12/2023 00:13

I saw this today and I don't know how much worse it should get to cease fire and get them help.

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stormy4319trevor · 14/12/2023 17:03

When I look at photos, nobody has proper shoes. Only sandals. The children's feet must be freezing.

Efacsen · 14/12/2023 12:31

@Parkingt111 agree the pictures were shocking

Hopefully IDF are making sure that their 'indiscriminate bombing' doesn't damage the border wall and cause a accidental breach

Parkingt111 · 14/12/2023 11:51

@Efacsen I was shocked when I saw the aftermath of the bombing in Rafah. Most of the civilians there as you mentioned are already displaced

I am also very concerned with the bombs that are being used after the recent report that has come to light.

I am waiting to see if Egypt responds to the bombing that is taking place close to the Egyptian border

Efacsen · 14/12/2023 09:46

More than half Gaza's population of 2,3 million are now in Rafah [safe area] so an extra million people are in this 'city' of 208000 - it's horribly overcrowded cold and wet but is the area where some humanitarian aid is being distributed* - huge crowds seen

But Rafah was intensively bombed last night and this morning - really very worrying wrt to these people being pushed out of gaza into n sinai

*this means half the population not in Rafah are getting no aid

Efacsen · 13/12/2023 12:40

And this sort of weather is in for the next 3 months or so - not every day but regularly

Toothyfruity · 13/12/2023 12:25

I've seen more footage of floods. Shocking. It's actually sickening to watch. People supporting this need their heads examined.

stormy4319trevor · 13/12/2023 12:23

The world needs to get its skates on. I can't imagine how the vulnerable - children, elderly, disabled - will survive another month of this.