Why Can't Gazans Leave?

They don't move because their neighbours don't want them and the longer this goes on, the more demonised Israel becomes which suits other countries.

A win

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I think people think it is more like reliving the Nakba of 1948. Palestinians certainly said as much as they were forced from their homes.

What did @SOBplus say that was untrue?

I agree, although EC in this case can be open to somewhat interpretation. The community were also moved for their own protection.
The way some talk about it is reliving the holocaust.

None of the neighbouring countries want Gazan refugees. They are not supportive of Hamas either and don’t want any of the risk of uprisings in their own states. Many of the other Middle Eastern/Arab states are quietly supportive of Israel for this reason.

Well repeating the point isn't a bad thing is it?

Given the amount of bullshit and emotionally charged nonsense on what ethnic cleansing is, it doesn't harm anyone to reinforce good definitions.

Surrounding countries won't have them because it suits them to use the Palestinians as pawns to make things harder for Israel. Also, Palestinians may fear, quite justifiably, that they will never be allowed back and Israel claims yet more of Palestine.

My reply was to @SOBplus

I've already cleared this up and clarified my position.

So this is a battle between good and evil so all the Palestinan children who died deserved it? And Israel is good for bombing refugees and hospitals? You are brainwashed or just a horrible person

Ethnic cleansing doesn't just mean killing. It means displacing a population from a certain piece of land.

Israel literally asked Gazans to move from their homes in north Gaza or they risked being bombed/regarded as hostile. That's removal via threats/intimidation/violence.

That constitutes ethnic cleansing.

They didn't need to actually flatten it to meet criteria for ethic cleansing.

I can go look up the definition used in Bosnia if anyone still wants to split hairs on this. (I quoted it somewhere a few weeks back).

So yeah I would say I probably have more of an idea than most about what description matches ethnic cleansing cos I've actually bothered to look it up a description from a source that's respected and reputable (in the absence of there being an international agreement on the definition).

Yes, that is what EC is but it's not Israel's raison d'etre to eradicate all Palestinians.

Thanks for that respite. 👍

Ok. No point engaging further with you obviously.

@Depdawg that last post of yours is one of the most chilling posts I think I've ever read about this conflict here. Gaza is being ethnically cleansed. What else can you call shoving over 2 million down into the Rafah district whilst bombing civilian infrastructure including hospitals and denying them food, water, electricity and other basic amenities a person needs to live. Anyone who doesn't consider this ethnic cleansing either doesn't understand the term or is willfully blind to what's happening.

I'm sick of talking to those who are apologists for this behaviour so I'm not going to engage with those posters any more.

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Hello, No you were correct originally. Hamas are the self announced occupiers of Gaza, they are in control in Gaza and they have stolen BILLIONS in aid and committed many many war crimes against the people of Gaza.

Well I'm glad you agree these are war crimes. Israel is the one committing these crimes by denying them movement, water, food, electricity, their homes, access to healthcare.

Ethnic cleansing is the expulsion of a group from a certain area. Which js ehat israel are currently doing.
I think you maybe meant if Israel wanted to commit genocide then gaza would be flattened?

I can't imagine trying to keep small babies alive in the last seven weeks without these basics. More war crimes by an occupying force.

THANK YOU! I absolutely agree with you, Hamas have committed many many war crimes in their occupation of Gaza!

Egypt absolutely does NOT want Gazans inside their borders for at least three reasons.

1. They don't want Gazans using their territory to attack Israel from.

2. Egypt don't want more refugees.

3. Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi said, “The threat there is significant because it means the liquidation of this (Palestinian) cause. It’s important for its people to stay steadfast and exist on its land.”

Egypt actively WANTS Gazans to stay in Gaza.

This is from Reuters:

"Security in the area around Rafah is also of concern to Egypt because Sinai has been the site of an Islamist insurgency that flared a decade ago. Hamas, which has run the Gaza Strip since 2007, shares the Islamist ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood, a movement outlawed in Egypt."

www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/bombardments-hit-area-gaza-sinai-border-crossing-gaza-officials-2023-10-10/

Egypt DOESN'T want or need Hamas sneaking in and linking up with Muslim Brotherhood.

From a National Security perspective, it's far better for Egypt to keep their border shut to keep Hamas away from Muslim Brotherhood.

It makes sense. Like Egypt, Israel certainly doesn't want Gazans in Israeli territory for National Security reasons.

Additionally, Hamas don't want Gazans to leave - NATO StratCom COE report "Hamas' Use Of Human Shields In Gaza 2008-2014".

Gaza is flattened.

Israel would like Egypt to accept all the refugees.

Genuinely I don't think Egypt could take them without the risk of domestic civil unrest, nor does it solve the Hamas conflict with Israel. It just means Egypt may get sucked into another direct conflict with Israel in the future.

I don't think you can say opening the border will save lives due to the political instability along that border. That's the problem.

You cant rule out that opening the border might trigger Egyptian civil war or an Egyptian war with Israel in the medium to long term.