Why Can't Gazans Leave?

@Parker231 @OuiOuiKitty

Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2007. They have only retaliated when provoked by hostage taking and rocket fire, so I am not sure what control over Gazan's you are referring to other than Israel protecting its own borders and preventing Hamas from importing weapons.

Israel can do what they like to the people that enter Israel. Not any buffer they make up in Gaza. They shouldn't get to control people in Gaza like they have been doing for decades.

Stay that side of the buffer. They have no reason to be in Israel. They can do what they like in Gaza.

So it’s ok to stop someone from Gaza coming into Israel? In that case Israelis need to stay out of Gaza.

@OuiOuiKitty you are not making any sense and I haven't disagreed with you.
'If someone enters Israel from Gaza they can do what they like'
Of course that isn't going to work. Look what they have done.
Stay that side of the buffer. They have no reason to be in Israel. They can do what they like in Gaza.

I don’t agree. Israel uses buffer zones as a means to terrorise Palestinians. Israel should have as big a buffer zone as they like in Israel and if someone enters Israel from Gaza they can do what they like. Kids should be able to play where ever they like in Gaza. Farmers should be able to farm where there is fertile land. Palestinians should be able to do what they like in Gaza. They shouldn't be threatened with guns as they do it. Gaza is small enough and has been controlled for long enough by Israel.

Before the 7th of October, the Israeli government were very much still persecuting Palestinians.

When? When exactly do you think Israel fucked off and left them in peace? Not before 7/10, I don't know why you bring that up as an example?

@OuiOuiKitty I never said whose land it had to be just that I thought it was a good idea. No need for all guns blazing.... there should be a compromise.

Because it has been tried and when there was quiet, Hamas used the time to build up weapons stores and plot attacks i.e. 7 October - but then those saying just stop already know that.

Just to add if Israel wants buffer zones fair enough but all of that buffer zone needs to be on Israeli land. Not how Israel are currently suggesting and not how it currently is. Farmers need to be able to work without being in fear for their lives, children need to be able to play with out being in fear for their lives. They need to be left alone.

Well no, why should Israel get to steal more land and call it a 'buffer zone' they already call 1/3 of land suitable for agriculture a 'buffer zone'. You don't get to just say 'yoink, I'll have that' it isn't Israels to take. The arrogance needed to presume it is astounding.

@OuiOuiKitty actually I Don't disagree with that. I would increase the buffer zone and let them get on with it. I would not provide another thing and let a peace keeping force sort out infrastructure etc. Funnel money direct to them rather than unwra. Let people live in peace.

Doesn't solve Hamas and the ' we want to kill you all bit' does it though? And I think it would leave Egypt in a very precarious position.

Isn't this just an argument for why they need a safe place to call their own though? Israel needs to back off on the occupying, back off on the pilfering, back off on the controlling and just let them live. Not once in 75 years has Israel actually just fucked off and let them live in peace. Why don't they try that? Round up their settlers, round up their army and just leave them alone to live.

Unfortunately there are a lot of negative stereotypes about Palestinian people in the Arab world despite the sympathy they obviously feel. And a lot of frustration on Palestinian leaders for not making peace. Egypt doesn’t want a war with Israel and they are afraid they will accidentally let in militants who attack Israel from Egypt. Jordan/Egypt are also thriving economies and they are worried refugees they take temporarily will never leave (they are probably right - refugees don’t typically want to be uprooted again and again and again - but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t take them). It’s a rubbish situation all round.

Why would they feel failed by the international community when most western governments have been supporting them. I honestly can’t really understand the level of delusion you are under that you think all these organisations are just anti Jews. Do you see them as racist in other ways? Or is it just against Jews? Not all Jewish people support the Israeli authorities anyway.

I completely agree that Israel seems to be held to a different standard than other countries. They blatantly disregard international law and the US, the UK and many in the EU clap them on.

This Israeli government is putting an ideology before it’s people. Their actions will do nothing to make ordinary Israeli’s safer. This is not a path to peace. Even the US are warning them that they are pushing Gazan’s into the arms of the enemy. What is the reason for their criticism? Have they just gone anti semitic too?

@pizzaHeart because they are fans of trying to over throw a government. See Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. And cause problems.

So no one is having them willingly. I wish people could see that when they complain (rightly) about the children. Other countries see Hamas as such a threat they won't even agree to temporarily take in women and children!

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/why-egypt-and-other-arab-nations-are-hesitant-to-take-in-palestinian-refugees

More information on why Egypt and other countries not keen on taking in refugees from Palestine.

I absolutely agree with this^ .
it was always surprising for me that Egypt and other Arab countries didn’t want to let Palestinians in. I wonder why, it can’t be about numbers.

Ukranians are not murderous terrorists who will ultimately turn on their hosts. Hamas are. Other Muslim countries do not want to see their countries.destabilised.

Every second house in Gaza has an entrance to the terror tunnels according to the UK-Israeli Ambassador. They are just making stuff up at this stage and will continue to do so.

https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1731594849722204562

If you’re going to be sarcastic in response to institutional antisemitism then there’s not much I can say. Jews feel utterly failed by the international community and so when we are offered yet another lecture from people who frankly don’t care for us or our survival we’re hardly going to say “let me pull up a chair”.

The simple fact is, this conflict is treated unlike any other on the planet and that’s because of antisemitism. The reason much of the world has gone along with the bizarre narrative constructed after 1948 is because it sees military defeat by Jews as the ultimate humiliation from which a population can never recover.

The paradox about antisemitism is that it treats Jews both as inferiors and as all-knowing/all-powerful. This means that the world sees any power Jews hold as too much and any time Jews exercise it as too excessive. If someone throws a live IED at a soldier and is shot, anywhere else in the world it would be seen as reasonable force. When you find out the soldier is a Jew, you devalue their life so much that ANY use of force in his/her defence is by definition excessive, and hey presto it’s a war crime.

Some people are just so deep in the misinformation - no single truth can be agreed on.

Gaza wasn’t occupied
Gaza could have been a Monaco 😂
All aid into Gaza goes to fund Hamas.

babies from Gaza will grow up to be a danger to Israelis anyway so their lives have less value.
The Israeli authorities are doing their best to avoid civilian casualties.
The high death toll of civilians and in particular children is because Hamas use them as human shields.
The numbers of dead are just made up by Hamas anyway - nothing to see here folks just the most moral army trying to rid the world of evil.
The UN, the WHO, The International Criminal Court, Human Rights Watch. Amnesty international and Israeli based human rights organizations like B'Tselem are all anti semitic/compromised for disagreeing with all of the above.

Using anti semitism as a stick to beat organisations that critique the current actions of the Israeli authorities is not a good idea. It discredits real anti semitism.

But of course, he's just lying isn't he, he's biased, he's incompetent and the ICC is shit (sarcastic).

There are a lot of big names coming out to declare it a clear cut genocide. Such as the former ICC chief prosecutor.

Agree… at this point I don’t even know what to do when people try quoting the UN at me because it’s like the world is playing some sick joke on Jewish people.

The same UN took 57 days to confirm the mass r—e of Israeli women and children. One hostage reported being held in a UN teacher’s house. The UN has completely ignored October 7th, completely ignored the hostages, was denouncing Israel before it had taken any action whatsoever. UN textbooks used in Palestine STILL contain incitement to violence against Jews. The UN is completely transparent in the way it singles out and gangs up on the world’s only Jewish state. The UN is keeping Palestinians in perpetual refugee status.

Amnesty is awful too - refused to adopt the IHRA definition, both-sidesing October 7th, ignoring the hostages, etc.

Just because an organisation has a fancy name doesn’t mean they’re actually good.