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Why Can't Gazans Leave?

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miniaturepixieonacid · 04/12/2023 13:25

There is probably a very simple answer to this that I missed in early news reports.

It's so awful watching News Feeds that essentially seem to say that Gazans are having to move around in a cat and mouse game with the IDF to avoid bombs but have nowhere left to go.

I am very aware that war has casualties and other countries are at war. I am not necessarily saying that IDF should stop fighting.

But this war is different in that all civilians seem to be trapped. Normally war creates refugees. Ukrainians, Afghans, Syrians - they were able to get out. Not all, I know, but movement was an option and it kept civilian casualties down. Why can't Gazans leave Gaza?

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Parkingt111 · 07/12/2023 20:03

The BBC have reported on the images now

With fighting raging around Khan Younis and in the north, a video is circulating on social media, showing dozens of Palestinian men, stripped to their underwear, kneeling on the ground, being guarded by Israeli soldiers.
The men are thought to have been arrested in Beit Lahiya, in the far north of the Gaza Strip.
They appear to have been told to remove their shoes, which are seen scattered across the road.
Other images show them being transported in military trucks. In the Israeli media, the captives are being described as Hamas fighters who have surrendered.
The final image shows the men, bound and blindfolded, kneeling in a large area of bulldozed sand.
The Israeli army has not commented on the images, but already one well-known Palestinian journalist, Diaa Al-Kahlout, a correspondent for The New Arab, has been identified among those being held.
The New Arab said al-Kahlout had been arrested along with his brothers, relatives “and other civilians”.

paladium · 07/12/2023 19:29

@stormy4319trevor heartbreaking. Cruel, unnecessary, evil.

stormy4319trevor · 07/12/2023 19:27

@paladium Or war time photos of people bound, stripped and kneeling. I wonder who these men are and what will happen to them after the photo moment has passed. We have probably all seen similar images and know they don't bode well.

paladium · 07/12/2023 19:13

@stormy4319trevor really ominous! reminds me of Guantanamo or a concentration camp.

stormy4319trevor · 07/12/2023 18:19

That photo is ominous. I'm disgusted by the way they strip people like this as well.

Whatamidoinhere · 07/12/2023 17:51

Not surprised at all. This is classic Idf treatment of civilians in Palestine. The link below is from a few weeks ago in the west bank and I believe there was multiple incidents of the same nature.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/idf-settlers-alleged-to-bind-strip-beat-burn-and-pee-on-palestinians-in-w-bank/amp/

EasterIssland · 07/12/2023 17:47

One of the persons from the group has been recognised as a journalist

Itisyourturntowashthebath · 07/12/2023 17:44

Wow Kan news cancelled that story quickly.

Whatamidoinhere · 07/12/2023 17:27

Multiple sources are saying these men were captured from a school shelter and they don't know what fate they have now. From the pictures above the shoes on the ground include flip flops and very casual shoes so highly doubt it is Hamas. Why would they surrender right now, it wouldn't make sense. God it keeps getting worse.

Itisyourturntowashthebath · 07/12/2023 17:27

"The IDF forces arrested dozens of men in an operation in the Gaza Strip during the advance of the forces to occupy the north of the Gaza Strip. The goal is to check if some of them are Hamas terrorists or operatives in the terrorist organization"
https://twitter.com/kann_news
13.29

"Dozens of Palestinians were arrested, after turning themselves in in the northern Gaza Strip"
https://www.kan.org.il/content/kan-news/defense/643756/
16.23

Time flies

Toothyfruity · 07/12/2023 17:21

Oh God. I don't like the look of this. I'm getting strong memories of Srebrenica.

Whatamidoinhere · 07/12/2023 17:19

How do we verify that those are actually Hamas members and not just civilians? The IDF have done the exact same stripping and humiliating scene in the west bank a few weeks ago.

EasterIssland · 07/12/2023 17:15

Read some of them have been killed in front of their families and others. Even if they were terrorists that have surrounded they posed no threat to those that have arrested them so should go through court rather than being killed.

Parkingt111 · 07/12/2023 17:08

The NY report says that this was shown on Israeli channel 13 as Hamas members who have surrendered but the IDF haven't commented on it yet

There's conflicting reports on SM on who the men are with many on the ground saying they were civilians who were separated from the women and children from the Jabaliya refugee camp and taken away.

This is not verified yet so personally waiting for further information

EasterIssland · 07/12/2023 17:04

SOBplus · 07/12/2023 16:57

link for where you read it?

I’ve seen it on Twitter. I guess the truth of who these men were will soon be known. In my opinion a Hamas member will not surrounded. They will die trying to kill others so really doubt that many have surrendered at the same time, but this is only my opinion.

SOBplus · 07/12/2023 16:57

EasterIssland · 07/12/2023 16:53

Thanks. They are who I thought would be and have read they are from a school rather than Hamas members (too many people for Hamas members imo )

link for where you read it?

Itisyourturntowashthebath · 07/12/2023 16:57

The shoes in those photos don't look very military. ME journalists have a different take and are including this photo.

Why Can't Gazans Leave?
EasterIssland · 07/12/2023 16:53

Thanks. They are who I thought would be and have read they are from a school rather than Hamas members (too many people for Hamas members imo )

cestlavielife · 07/12/2023 16:52

They cannot leave wuthout Egypt agreeing, Israel agreeing, hamas agreeing....therewill be no "take in a refugeee" programme as with ukraine ...everyone is complicit in certain death for hundreds if thousands (bombs or disease or hunger...) which is why UN is calling for truce

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/06/14/gaza-israels-open-air-prison-15

For 15 years, Israeli authorities have imposed sweeping restrictions on the movement of people into and out of the Gaza Strip.

Gaza: Israel’s ‘Open-Air Prison’ at 15

Israel’s sweeping restrictions on leaving Gaza deprive its more than two million residents of opportunities to better their lives.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/06/14/gaza-israels-open-air-prison-15

Itisyourturntowashthebath · 07/12/2023 16:52

SOBplus · 07/12/2023 16:42

Just for information, nothing to do with the thread really, dozens of Hamas terrorists just surrendered to IDF

Depending on your news source, this is either a mass surrender or the rounding up of every adult male.

EasterIssland · 07/12/2023 16:49

SOBplus · 07/12/2023 16:42

Just for information, nothing to do with the thread really, dozens of Hamas terrorists just surrendered to IDF

Do you have a link?

cestlavielife · 07/12/2023 16:47

The Gaza Strip is one of the most densely populated places in the world, with a total area of 365 km2 (41 km long and 6 km and 12 km wide in the north and the south respectively) housing a population of about 2.3 million

cauliflowerwaterfall · 07/12/2023 16:44

My point is, if a Jewish poster like me really was doing a “fun” thought experiment where I was suggesting we should round up all 5 million Palestinians and drop them in the middle of Germany or Utah so that they can start a new life there, say they should be grateful for having any home at all (and even better, their presence will act as a punishment for the Americans/Nazis) someone would correctly point out that was racist, genocidal talk. The double standards are not even funny - put yourself in my shoes, imagine being Jewish and this is how people talk about you. “Let’s round the Jews up and dump them somewhere in the States and that’ll teach Americans for being too nice to them.” It’s not how minority communities should be talked about.