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Why Can't Gazans Leave?

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miniaturepixieonacid · 04/12/2023 13:25

There is probably a very simple answer to this that I missed in early news reports.

It's so awful watching News Feeds that essentially seem to say that Gazans are having to move around in a cat and mouse game with the IDF to avoid bombs but have nowhere left to go.

I am very aware that war has casualties and other countries are at war. I am not necessarily saying that IDF should stop fighting.

But this war is different in that all civilians seem to be trapped. Normally war creates refugees. Ukrainians, Afghans, Syrians - they were able to get out. Not all, I know, but movement was an option and it kept civilian casualties down. Why can't Gazans leave Gaza?

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backtowinter · 07/12/2023 22:15

stormy4319trevor · 07/12/2023 22:11

@backtowinter From the Guardian
The head of the Euro-Med human rights monitor said he recognised his friend among the detained Palestinian men in the footage being circulated by Israeli media.
Ramy Abdu, the chair of the Geneva-based rights group, said his friend Al-Kahlout was among the detainees, as well as the director of a school and a United Nations employee.

And? Hostages were held in homes belonging to "ordinary" people

stormy4319trevor · 07/12/2023 22:13

@backtowinter In addition to the rights worker, school director and UN worker there is said to be a journalist. It is certainly not yet clear who all these people are.

EasterIssland · 07/12/2023 22:13

backtowinter · 07/12/2023 22:10

Seriously I feel sick to the stomach at some of these posts

Body shaming. Invasive

They're murdering raping terrorists

Wow!!! You know who they are and have already been sentenced by you!

EasterIssland · 07/12/2023 22:12

Xenia · 07/12/2023 21:55

As all know Hamas and ISIS are well known for suicide bombing. It is very wise of the Israeli soldiers to ensure the terrorists remove their clothing so they can be sure no weapons are there. Israel is doing a very difficult job very well.

If these were suicide bombers … wouldn’t they’ve killed themselves in front of to kill the enemy ?

you know for well this is not right. But I know you support Israel and what Israel does is perfect.

Motorina · 07/12/2023 22:11

OuiOuiKitty · 07/12/2023 21:55

Commenting on the bodies of men forced to strip and subjected to invasive body searches. Contributing to their humiliation. There really aren't words for that.

Agreed.

I'd been struggling to find the right words to post something that sounds superficially similar, but hopefully has a quite different intent. These people do not look like I would expect Hamas soldiers to look. They look middle aged and unfit. In other words, they look like most civilians (including myself).

Maybe these really are elite Hamas operatives. But I'd want a lot more proof than a few social media posts before I believed it. Regardless of the truth, they have been stripped naked and blindfolded, which is an abhorrent way to treat people who are at your mercy.

backtowinter · 07/12/2023 22:10

Xenia · 07/12/2023 21:55

As all know Hamas and ISIS are well known for suicide bombing. It is very wise of the Israeli soldiers to ensure the terrorists remove their clothing so they can be sure no weapons are there. Israel is doing a very difficult job very well.

Seriously I feel sick to the stomach at some of these posts

Body shaming. Invasive

They're murdering raping terrorists

EasterIssland · 07/12/2023 22:09

backtowinter · 07/12/2023 22:08

I'm sorry you all found my comment offensive, and clearly MN agreed with you as they've deleted it

It was aimed at those denying these are captured terrorists, who have access to funds, food and water that ordinary Gazans (starving in an "open air prison") don't have.

There is no proof of what you’re blaming these men to be so maybe once again keep your horrible opinions about other people’s bodies to yourself

backtowinter · 07/12/2023 22:09

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backtowinter · 07/12/2023 22:08

I'm sorry you all found my comment offensive, and clearly MN agreed with you as they've deleted it

It was aimed at those denying these are captured terrorists, who have access to funds, food and water that ordinary Gazans (starving in an "open air prison") don't have.

Parkingt111 · 07/12/2023 22:02

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What a horrible thing to say
Do you often body shame people?

Livinginanotherworld · 07/12/2023 21:59

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Livinginanotherworld · 07/12/2023 21:57

FrozenWindscreen · 07/12/2023 21:51

Just putting this here:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/07/israel-strikes-back-after-massive-palestinian-attack

Check out the guy standing on top of the tank to the left - SANDALS and no uniforms to be seen.

Disgusting pro-Hamas propaganda on this site.

Meanwhile, you are an apologist for Israeli warcrimes and the mass killing of babies and children. If you support this, you have no humanity.

OuiOuiKitty · 07/12/2023 21:55

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Commenting on the bodies of men forced to strip and subjected to invasive body searches. Contributing to their humiliation. There really aren't words for that.

Xenia · 07/12/2023 21:55

As all know Hamas and ISIS are well known for suicide bombing. It is very wise of the Israeli soldiers to ensure the terrorists remove their clothing so they can be sure no weapons are there. Israel is doing a very difficult job very well.

EasterIssland · 07/12/2023 21:52

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What a horrible comment

FrozenWindscreen · 07/12/2023 21:51

Livinginanotherworld · 07/12/2023 21:22

No, this is absolutely not true ! The IDF have been rounding up all men and boys over 15, stripping them and kidnapping or executing them. They consist of doctors, lawyers, bakers, journalists etc. just normal men and young boys, this is a war crime !!
They are not Hamas, they are rounding them up from refugee centres, they are wearing sandals and sliders, no combat boots or uniforms to be seen. Do you not think if they were Hamas, they would show them in combat gear ??

Just putting this here:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/07/israel-strikes-back-after-massive-palestinian-attack

Check out the guy standing on top of the tank to the left - SANDALS and no uniforms to be seen.

Disgusting pro-Hamas propaganda on this site.

Hundreds die and hostages held as Hamas assault shocks Israel

Netanyahu declares war as at least 250 Israelis are killed; more than 230 Palestinians die in airstrikes launched in response

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/07/israel-strikes-back-after-massive-palestinian-attack

backtowinter · 07/12/2023 21:50

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Livinginanotherworld · 07/12/2023 21:22

SOBplus · 07/12/2023 16:42

Just for information, nothing to do with the thread really, dozens of Hamas terrorists just surrendered to IDF

No, this is absolutely not true ! The IDF have been rounding up all men and boys over 15, stripping them and kidnapping or executing them. They consist of doctors, lawyers, bakers, journalists etc. just normal men and young boys, this is a war crime !!
They are not Hamas, they are rounding them up from refugee centres, they are wearing sandals and sliders, no combat boots or uniforms to be seen. Do you not think if they were Hamas, they would show them in combat gear ??

Parkingt111 · 07/12/2023 21:17

Further update on those images and in particular about the journalist who was spotted in them from the BBC

The news outlet Al-Araby al-Jadeed has condemned what it describes as the "humiliating" detention of its Gaza correspondent Diaa Kahlout by Israeli forces earlier today.
In a statement, it said Kahlout's brothers, relatives and a large number of civilians were also detained by the Israeli forces in Beit Lahia, a city in the north of Gaza.
It adds soldiers forced them "to disrobe, and subjected them to invasive searches and humiliating treatment upon their arrest, prior to transporting them to undisclosed locations".
The outlet "urges the international community, journalists’ rights defenders and watchdogs, and human rights bodies to denounce this ongoing assault" by Israel on journalists in the territory.

stormy4319trevor · 07/12/2023 20:52

I thought there were laws about the treatment of prisoners pf war, and that stripping and beating them would be against those laws. But there's no comment about it from international organisations,

stormy4319trevor · 07/12/2023 20:50

@Parkingt111 Oh yes, I remember hearing about women from Gaza being held too, leaving children behind as well.

Parkingt111 · 07/12/2023 20:16

@stormy4319trevor not only men but reports of women too
Some of the detainees who were released in the recent truce have reported that there are women from Gaza being held there in terrible conditions

The Israeli Prison Service have refused to disclose how many Gazans are being held in israeli prisons

stormy4319trevor · 07/12/2023 20:11

There was a poet arrested in one of these roundups of men recently. I think he said they were taken to Beersheva prison? He said they were beaten and interrogated. He was let go, possibly because he is known by the American public as a writer and there were protests about him being held. I think he didn't know what happened to the others.

Parkingt111 · 07/12/2023 20:04

It's worrying that nobody knows what has happened to them after the last image and there are no independent journalists to check either

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