Why Can't Gazans Leave?

We have young offender institutions, where young people go after going through a due process in the criminal justice system. At every stage the young person will be assigned an independent guardian, who is a specialised social worker to ensure that the child is protected and is awarded their full rights. They also have access to a specialised legal team,and visitations from oarents/guardians. To say this is similar to the prisons that Palestinian children are put in is an absolute insult, not to mention hugely ignorant. They have no due process, no legal rights, and can be indefinitely detained with no reason given.
ETA: These children also face assault, torture, sexual abuse, long periods of solitary confinement and psychological torture.

We have prison for children (Young Offenders Institutions).

Children that commit violent crimes in the UK above the age of criminal responsibility can serve custodial sentences. Foreign nationals that commit violent crimes in the UK above the age of criminal responsibility can serve custodial sentences.

This is the norm in most countries, including Israel.

The minors in Israeli prisons are not 3 year olds. They are adolescent convicts above the age of criminal responsibility who were found guilty of violent crimes up to and including r-pe and murder, who would be sent to prison in most countries they could commit those crimes in.

This is what I asked earlier

And was misled by @cauliflowerwaterfall into believing that they would be POW and had an interesting afternoon looking at the Geneva convention with her

On further investigation it seems that Hamas fighters would not neccessarily be POWs because they are terrorists not part of a regular army

Civilians can't be POW because they're civilians

The choice of words is sickening. Not the first time to be used as Netanyahu himself used the same exact words. Nonetheless it keeps dehumanising Palestinians to justify their genocidal acts.

The Israeli military has rounded up scores of Palestinian men in Gaza, stripped them to their underwear and paraded them in various public locations, video footage and photographs show.
There were claims in Israeli media that the images showed the surrender of Hamas fighters. But as the pictures and footage were circulated widely across social media and elsewhere, several were identified as civilians, including a journalist.
One of those pictured was identified as Diaa al-Kahlout, a correspondent for Al-Araby Al-Jadeed (the New Arab). In a statement, the news organisation said Kahlout had been rounded up along with his brothers, relativesand other civilians at the market street in Beit Lahiya, northern Gaza, and then “were forced to strip off their clothes and searched and humiliated before they were taken to an unknown location”.
Another man posted on social media he had recognised his brother, a shopkeeper, who has epilepsy. The Guardian could not immediately verify the claim.

I don't think any of them are proved to be anything yet. They were taken somewhere for interrogation. Some of them have been identified as a journalist and other professions.

It is the IDF. Apparently no international law is applied to them and they get away with much worse. They literally have a prison for children.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/21/a-hidden-universe-of-suffering-the-palestinian-children-sent-to-jail

I'm just catching up, are these "prisoners of war" proven to be Hamas members? I thought some were just sheltering in the hospital and there are some journalists too?

Agree the exact status of these men and boys isn't at all clear

I'm confused. What are we calling the civilians in this photo, and do arrested civilians have rights too? I can't understand the treatment of people who have not been found guilty of anything and are later released.

@Parker231 but Israel is a signatory to the Geneva Convention even if not to the Convention of Rome

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this 💔

Unfortunately Israel has historically refused to sign the Rome Convention to join the ICC, and has used its influence—and that of the United States—to prevent or delay any serious consideration of the claims and charges against it. Israel’s standard effort has been to use procedural tactics to avoid any discussion on the substance of Palestinian claims, and to deny that the court has any jurisdiction to try the state of Israel or its citizens. Can’t see anything changing now.

Yes, that's so.

Maybe familiarise yourself with the law of armed conflict before you go making false assertions about it 👍

According to this, they must be permitted to retain their clothing.

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciii-1949/article-27/commentary/2020

[9] According to Article 18, prisoners of war must be permitted to retain their clothing and other items such as helmets and gas masks. Prisoners of war have not always been permitted to keep their boots after capture, with some Detaining Powers citing security reasons for this. If prisoners of war are not allowed to keep their own boots or uniforms, or if their own uniforms are inadequate, they must be provided, as soon as practically possible, with sufficient and climate-appropriate clothing and footwear.[10] Even in the absence of uniforms, the provisions on badges and insignia still hold. Moreover, even if the prisoners may keep their uniforms and boots, these must be supplemented or replaced as necessary and appropriate, pursuant to Article 27.

No it’s not

Or that Palestinians deserve this because hamas was voted in 15 years ago

@Efacsen You already addressed this, don't worry.

Yes, I was wondering about the rules regarding prisoners of war. Isn't the removal of clothes, photographing and kneeling for who knows how long, already a breach?

It kind of is instantaneous here tbh. They are forced to resign before they get pushed.

I understand what you are saying to a certain degree, I suppose Isreal is very different than the Western country I live in, considering my country doesn't go to war or have an army that does anything other than peacekeeping or handing out sandbags, it all just seems like a very 'foreign concept' for want of a better word that such strong rhetoric is seemingly going unchallenged. I suppose we all like to think the best of our own countries and wouldn't like to think that there is anything that would allow us to sit back and watch an attempted genocide happen in our name but if this has taught me one thing it's that all types of people can be darker than you would ever suspect.

This episode is patently a breach of Article 14 Geneva Convention and senior IDF officers are looking for the junior soldiers who posted it online

So even the IDF think this is wrong

The inability of some posters here to accept that the IDF is doing, or has done, anything wrong in the face of ample evidence of abuse, war crimes and even genocide, including photos and video footage, is really disturbing,

@cauliflowerwaterfall It is psychological torture to capture civilians, strip them in the cold, blindfold them and have them kneel down in a desert basically all while taking pictures of them. In the other pictures of them rounded up in a truck, you can see marks on their bodies so they're likely being abused as well. I don't see why you're dismissing, and deflecting that then redirecting the conversation to other irrelevant points. Many of the actions committed by the IDF are war crimes and should be called out as that. Period.