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Do lots of people support Hamas?

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elprup · 03/12/2023 20:33

I just read this story and it is absolutely horrific

I saw ten Hamas terrorists beat and gang-rape an Israeli woman

https://mol.im/a/12820081

Is everyone on the pro-Palestine marches in London solely supporting the innocent civilians of Palestine (as I do too)? Or are there some people on these marches supporting the actions of Hamas as well?

I want to join the marches in support of innocent adults and kids in Gaza (and I would want to march for the same reasons on any pro Israel marches too), but I do not want to endorse Hamas in any shape or form. They are absolutely vile.

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XRAYTHIS · 29/12/2023 18:36

Trulywonderful · 29/12/2023 17:35

A protest is happening outside the world trade centre in America, 9/11

This has to be the worse idea anyone has ever come up with for one of these protests. If that doesn't make people think those present support Hamas nothing will. It literally doesn't matter now if those there do or don't support Hamas, they have cocked up beyond imagination. Again who do they think this helps?

Thick as mince.

stomachamaleon · 29/12/2023 18:32

I just don't have the words to explain how disgusted I am about it and I hope something is done about it (that's the politest way I can think to write how I feel)

Trulywonderful · 29/12/2023 18:31

backtowinter · 29/12/2023 18:26

I was wondering where was best to post this

That, to me, sums up to e mentality of these protestors

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. Does nothing for their current cause

My rather rough ex navy stepfather would have said "These people have shit for brains"

I don't like the way he spoke but he would have had a point in this case

Trulywonderful · 29/12/2023 18:29

basculin · 29/12/2023 18:19

I wonder if @ritenuto or whatever username they're going by now thinks the 9/11 hijackers were resistance fighters too?

I don't what to presume but.....

backtowinter · 29/12/2023 18:26

Trulywonderful · 29/12/2023 17:35

A protest is happening outside the world trade centre in America, 9/11

This has to be the worse idea anyone has ever come up with for one of these protests. If that doesn't make people think those present support Hamas nothing will. It literally doesn't matter now if those there do or don't support Hamas, they have cocked up beyond imagination. Again who do they think this helps?

I was wondering where was best to post this

That, to me, sums up to e mentality of these protestors

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. Does nothing for their current cause

basculin · 29/12/2023 18:19

I wonder if @ritenuto or whatever username they're going by now thinks the 9/11 hijackers were resistance fighters too?

Trulywonderful · 29/12/2023 17:35

A protest is happening outside the world trade centre in America, 9/11

This has to be the worse idea anyone has ever come up with for one of these protests. If that doesn't make people think those present support Hamas nothing will. It literally doesn't matter now if those there do or don't support Hamas, they have cocked up beyond imagination. Again who do they think this helps?

Toothyfruity · 29/12/2023 17:33

stomachamaleon · 29/12/2023 16:57

@Toothyfruity they want one under their own terms.
Are they going to stop firing rockets?
Give back the hostages?
Do they speak for Islamic jihad?
For the citizens that hold hostages?
Stop psychological warfare?
You think they can be trusted? They didn't stick to the last ceasefire?
How will things work after? No more using billions in aid to try and wipe out the country next to you?
Spend it on rebuilding?
Move from Qatar and take charge?

I'd imagine yes to the first two, but obviously can't answer the rest.

Do you think what Israel is doing now is right, and that it should continue?

XRAYTHIS · 29/12/2023 17:16

Trulywonderful · 29/12/2023 15:47

The mixed message of what we see on marches and protests:

*Calling for ceasefire

*Calling for peace

  • Resistance action

*Islamic army action

*From the river to the sea

*Dismantle Israel

*Nasty Jew hate stuff

Yet people wonder why some of us question what the marchers are calling for and how these marches are supposed to help anything. I mean most the press, general public and government have already zoned out of the fact these protests are happening still. Even when they are in the media or spoken about now it is mostly this mixed messaging that is noticeable.

Indeed, they are covered in x and Tic tic but since the extremist element continues it switches off lots of people.

It's a mish mash of wants and many as you list them don't align.

stomachamaleon · 29/12/2023 16:57

@Toothyfruity they want one under their own terms.
Are they going to stop firing rockets?
Give back the hostages?
Do they speak for Islamic jihad?
For the citizens that hold hostages?
Stop psychological warfare?
You think they can be trusted? They didn't stick to the last ceasefire?
How will things work after? No more using billions in aid to try and wipe out the country next to you?
Spend it on rebuilding?
Move from Qatar and take charge?

Toothyfruity · 29/12/2023 16:04

Trulywonderful · 29/12/2023 15:58

He isn't saying Israel doesn't. He was commenting on what the marchers were asking going on about. They are calling for more resistance from Hamas in the clip

Surely he is right Hamas do need to accept a ceasefire and a political solution is needed rather than fighting

You are putting your own views on him and seeing his words from your own perspective and jumping to conclusions about what he means. Not everyone agrees with everything with everyone else but most people have some overlap in opinions too. Luc is actually a pretty peace loving guy that is trying to help raise money to get his translation friend's family out of Gaza. I have known him on social media for years and he is a cool guy.

My point was just that Hamas wants a ceasefire so no need to call on them to accept one.

I didn't watch the video and dont know who this guy is so may have missed context but I ament putting my views on anyone. Just commenting that Hamas want ceasefire. Israel don't.

Trulywonderful · 29/12/2023 16:02

No more violence. A political solution has to be pursued

This was the message from the clip, plus why are these people calling for more Hamas resistance. I think that is pretty clear, well it is to me anyway

Seriously I definitely see the world differently to a fair few people on mumsnet. Maybe it is a me problem 🤔

Trulywonderful · 29/12/2023 15:58

Toothyfruity · 29/12/2023 15:38

You said "Luc is right".

This is what Luc said: "Have they lost the plot? Hamas needs to accept the ceasefire, the war has to end. No more violence. A political solution has to be pursued."

He isn't saying Israel doesn't. He was commenting on what the marchers were asking going on about. They are calling for more resistance from Hamas in the clip

Surely he is right Hamas do need to accept a ceasefire and a political solution is needed rather than fighting

You are putting your own views on him and seeing his words from your own perspective and jumping to conclusions about what he means. Not everyone agrees with everything with everyone else but most people have some overlap in opinions too. Luc is actually a pretty peace loving guy that is trying to help raise money to get his translation friend's family out of Gaza. I have known him on social media for years and he is a cool guy.

Trulywonderful · 29/12/2023 15:47

The mixed message of what we see on marches and protests:

*Calling for ceasefire

*Calling for peace

  • Resistance action

*Islamic army action

*From the river to the sea

*Dismantle Israel

*Nasty Jew hate stuff

Yet people wonder why some of us question what the marchers are calling for and how these marches are supposed to help anything. I mean most the press, general public and government have already zoned out of the fact these protests are happening still. Even when they are in the media or spoken about now it is mostly this mixed messaging that is noticeable.

Toothyfruity · 29/12/2023 15:38

Trulywonderful · 29/12/2023 15:32

I didn't comment on Hamas or Israel attitude to a ceasefire. I just questioned what the marchers in the clip were calling for, as in what is the message there. Then said Luc was right about the only way peace could happen

No idea why you tag me with your comment

You said "Luc is right".

This is what Luc said: "Have they lost the plot? Hamas needs to accept the ceasefire, the war has to end. No more violence. A political solution has to be pursued."

Trulywonderful · 29/12/2023 15:32

Toothyfruity · 29/12/2023 09:04

Israel are the ones who don't want a ceasefire though.

I didn't comment on Hamas or Israel attitude to a ceasefire. I just questioned what the marchers in the clip were calling for, as in what is the message there. Then said Luc was right about the only way peace could happen

No idea why you tag me with your comment

backtowinter · 29/12/2023 13:55

Israel seems to be under constant attack

Difference is the Israeli government spends on defence

Palestinian government spends on luxury homes and terrorist tunnels

XRAYTHIS · 29/12/2023 13:15

moosmama123 · 29/12/2023 12:35

@PurpleChrayne exactly Hamas have no intention of either releasing hostages or sticking to any ceasefire.
As proved already.
Who starts a war by creating the worst program in recent history and thinks there won't be consequences? The moral immaturity of that is ridiculous and cannot be understated. To start a bloody war and then moan about bloody war. Nuts.

This.

Then some people on the marches carry banners calling for 'resistance' but others carry pro Palestine flags alongside. We are told a ceasefire is wanted so why call for resistance.

Just let the hostages go. Still holding people taken in the terrorist onslaught on Oct 7th doesn't make Hamas look like they want a ceasefire.

moosmama123 · 29/12/2023 12:35

@PurpleChrayne exactly Hamas have no intention of either releasing hostages or sticking to any ceasefire.
As proved already.
Who starts a war by creating the worst program in recent history and thinks there won't be consequences? The moral immaturity of that is ridiculous and cannot be understated. To start a bloody war and then moan about bloody war. Nuts.

Toothyfruity · 29/12/2023 11:43

PurpleChrayne · 29/12/2023 11:27

Would you want a ceasefire with a country whose aim is your complete annihilation?

Hamas broke the last one.

They refused a recent offer.

I'm not sure where you're getting your news, to be honest.

I'm presumably getting the same news as you since we both agree that Israel is the party who doesn't want to stop the slaughter.

PurpleChrayne · 29/12/2023 11:27

Toothyfruity · 29/12/2023 09:04

Israel are the ones who don't want a ceasefire though.

Would you want a ceasefire with a country whose aim is your complete annihilation?

Hamas broke the last one.

They refused a recent offer.

I'm not sure where you're getting your news, to be honest.

Fynetanksfather · 29/12/2023 10:38

Trulywonderful · 28/12/2023 23:52

"Established in 1949 following the first Arab-Israeli war, UNRWA provides public services including schools, healthcare and aid. Many of UNRWA's 5,000 staff working in Gaza are Palestinian refugees themselves"

As they have so many employees and I believe are part of the UN death count. Plus some have been reported by hostages as being involved in keeping them captive, it does make sense some will have also been killed because a few are definitely Hamas members/supporters it seems. So likely to be in a place targeted. However that is still a large number of UN deaths.

In general I see UN and journalist deaths as not any different from other deaths. A life is a life and a lot of the UN employees and Journalists are Gazen with their own families living in Gaza. I don't know if the numbers are available for who is Gazen born or a Palestinian refugee etc but that would solve a pondering of mine. Either way a life lost is a life lost their job or heritage is irrelevant in that seems.

Nothing means I have much respect for the UN or its workers either. They lost my respect years ago and the whole Iran/hijab / women's rights committee thing didn't exactly win my opinion back

What’s your point

Toothyfruity · 29/12/2023 09:04

Trulywonderful · 29/12/2023 01:47

Another ceasefire march or resistance march judging by the banners??? No idea but Luc is right either way

https://twitter.com/LucBernard/status/1740528953427976210

Israel are the ones who don't want a ceasefire though.

XRAYTHIS · 29/12/2023 08:36

Trulywonderful · 29/12/2023 01:47

Another ceasefire march or resistance march judging by the banners??? No idea but Luc is right either way

https://twitter.com/LucBernard/status/1740528953427976210

Is that march in London calling for 'resistance' yet also saying about the innocents that have died. If Hamas continue to fire rockets and fight them more innocent people will die. They obviously don't care. This is the problem with the marches, encouraging 'resistance ' as some call it for terrorist action where more are killed in reality.

They really don't care for the civilians.

Trulywonderful · 29/12/2023 01:47

Another ceasefire march or resistance march judging by the banners??? No idea but Luc is right either way

https://twitter.com/LucBernard/status/1740528953427976210

https://twitter.com/LucBernard/status/1740528953427976210

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