Do lots of people support Hamas?

I don't believe that. I've read about lots of people going to Palestine and saying how friendly everyone is. From all the videos I've seen they seem like a beautiful, resilient people. I have so much respect for them.

Exactly this.

In order to get peace in NI the British government went into talks with paramilitaries. The S African government did the same with the ANC. They didn’t ever support terrorists.

You’d have to be very black and white in your thinking to think supporting Palestine was the same as supporting terrosists.

I think you might be confused. My post was in reply to Lovesacake who denied that Israels see Palestinians as below them.

I dont know anyone who condones or supports Hamas. I think the conflation of support for Palestine and calls for ceasefire with support for hamas is a carefully constructed narrative to deflect attention from the genocide of Palestinians and destruction of their country as well as maltreatment in the WB. By carefully diverting attention to Hamas, it changes the focus of responsiblility and reprehensibility to the hated other and makes Israel into the innocent good guy defending itself all it can. It also then ensures that any pro Palestinian voices are silenced by affiliating them with a proscribed terrorist organisation.

@marvellousceiling

Wouldn't it be great, then, if they called for that without having to be asked

The fact the Hamas are missing from all the chants and posters around these demonstrations says to me that they are somehow being absolved from any blame

You'd have to go look that up. My post was in response to Lovesacake denying that Israelis don't see Palestinians as equals.

@braticus I think they feel equal hate to you and me too. We must also oppress them.

Oppressed people hating their oppressor? Not exactly surprising.

@marvellousceiling I think that you are right, I think most have very good intentions. But why is this not what they are saying and demanding?

What’s your take on martyr payments then ? If you claim Israel promotes hate against palestines what is your take on martyr payments , that literally are paid to people whose children are arrested fighting against IDF or killed due to Israel ( as a example the family of the pizzeria bombers a few years ago got paid quite a lot ) , do you not see them as promoting terrorism ? Have you been to Gaza at all ? Have you seen children as young as 2 lurked and enticed to actually trow stones and hold guns near ODF soldiers ?because it happens daily . Do you not call that promoting hate and terrorism ?

I honestly think if you asked the vast majority if they condemn Hamas, they want hostages released and a ceasefire you would get an overwhelming yes.

Agree @backtowinter

@Tryingmybestadhd ah yes! Perhaps such a survey does not exist. I wonder if that tells us anything.

If those marching for Palestine condemned Hamas and called on them for a ceasefire and release of innocent hostages then I would believe that they were truly about peace

But they don't

@Tryingmybestadhd maybe people are still there because they have nowhere else to go? No area of Gaza is safe right now. No comfort, no second home they can escape to, refugee camps full (and being bombed), safe routes bombed. They literally have nowhere to go! 75% of people are displaced and homeless. To suggest they have somewhere else "safe" to go is deluded.

Civilians are still in the north because some of their family members moved to the south and got bombed.

Many civilians moved to the south and realised it wasn't any better so went back to the north to at least die with dignity in their homes.

In Palestine they would stone her in public or hand her as it’s often done to “ traitors “

That’s not what the poster is saying I personally cannot justify a ceasefire either , not until Hamas has lost power . Claiming people who don’t support a a ceasefire want to kill all bad lies is the same as saying all Palestinian supporters are Hamas . Both are very different things .
People must ask themselves why are civilians still in the north , why are babies in areas they have been to leave from day one. How do you expect Israel to take Hamas of power exactiy without gunfire and weapons ?

@OuiOuiKitty what were the results for the same survey in Palestine?

Over half of the Jewish population in Israel believes the marriage of a Jewish woman to an Arab man is equal to national treason, according to a recent survey by the Geocartography Institute.
The survey, which was conducted for the Center Against Racism, also found that over 75 percent of participants did not approve of apartment buildings being shared between Arabs and Jews. Sixty percent of participants said they would not allow an Arab to visit their home.

60% wouldn't even allow an Arab to visit their home. Yup definitely see them as equal.

The type of person to suggest that a 9 month old baby can be blamed are the type of people that bomb 9 month old babies and blame them ...

Only a cruel mind can ever bring children into this.

To clarify I'm speaking of the Israeli government and the people in power. I would never blame a 9 month old baby. That would be insane.

I'm afraid it is true. You only have to look at what Israeli school textbooks teach children about Palestinians. If Israelis believe that Palestinians are equal why do they allow settlers to steal land and to terrorise people? They sit back and watch as Palestinian children are torn from their beds and night, tortured and detained without trial. They sit back and watch as Palestinians are denied the right to build homes, denied the right to replace schools that Israel have bulldozed, denied the right to walk down certain streets. You don't do that to people you consider equal. You know that and I know that.

I'm actually sick to death of people pretending they do. Not one person who insists that a lot of or most Israelis are against settlers has been able to tell me why in a democracy if people are against it is it just getting worse year on year. Its all talk. Actions or in this case inaction shows the real feeling.

That question is for @braticus too. Is all this really the fault of Israel?

It's hard to put the blame on Jewish children, the youngest being 9 months old, but there you have it in black and white.