Do lots of people support Hamas?

I don't know. Was that person supposed to be released as part of a ceasefire? It would obviously be part of the negotiations that hostages are released in the first steps. As far as I am aware last temporary ceasefire Hamas offered bodies of hostages they said died in Israels bombardment and Israel said no thanks. Israel would have to accept proof of death to verify that the hostages they say died did in fact die.

You lost me at 'it's not just us'. I've no idea who 'us' are.

I'd suggest that, if people want to join a protest or a march, they should look into who's organising it and what groups attend, and make their own decision about whether that particular march is consistent with their values.

There was some news articles about different marches. One article named 5 different organisers that are well known Jew haters and have previously been caught on videos or in interviews saying horrible stuff about Jewish people (not Israel or even Israelis but Jewish people). Plus an ex Hamas member was a organiser on at least one march. Therefore the rot starts from the top when it comes to the marches.

Have there been a few people there who have expressed anti-semitic views? Other than the clearly unpleasant people out to cause trouble (who were given a wide berth and dealt with by the police when they were alerted - by people attending the protest - that this group was present), I've encountered a couple of people and generally speaking when asked about that it's been due to either a lack of awareness or having been misinformed, rather than malice.

There was at least one placard saying that Jews killed Jesus and another eith a swastika inside a Star of David. That is malice pure and simple.

Have there been a few people there who have expressed anti-semitic views?

The East Berkshire branch of the Palestinian Solidarity Campaign can help with that question. I'm under the impression that these local PSG groups promote and organise attendance at both local and national protests?

I'm not going to link to their social media posts here because it's so feckin disgusting.

@BigandBeefy if that was the case why has Hamas released a post this week about holding an Israeli who disappeared nine years ago.
I am Afraid a ceasefire won't just mean all the hostages go as I fear Hamas will say they don't have them all and don't speak for all that do. Hostages have confirmed 'normal civilians' were with them when held or they were in normal homes.
Hamas has also continued to fire rockets and I think would argue the same as above.
It's not just us....

Hence they should not be trusted.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1831650/pro-palestine-protest-hamas-sign-london

What do you think of the video of this incident?

A ceasefire would solve your first two points. The third I think 'condemning Hamas' has become a bit tired at this point, it has been done by pretty much everyone who has spoken out about Israel multiple times already. Wanting people to march about with signs saying I condemn Hamas' would look almost satirical at this point.

@Scirocco are they also calling for the release of the hostages, asking Hamas to stop firing rockets into Israel and condemning the atrocities of 7/10?

@untitledmum I can't speak for every march, but the marches and protests near me have been consistent in calling for a ceasefire, giving a voice to the dead and displaced in Palestine, and raising awareness of the humanitarian disaster unfolding in Gaza. I haven't heard any pro-Hamas speeches.

Have there been a few people there who have expressed anti-semitic views? Other than the clearly unpleasant people out to cause trouble (who were given a wide berth and dealt with by the police when they were alerted - by people attending the protest - that this group was present), I've encountered a couple of people and generally speaking when asked about that it's been due to either a lack of awareness or having been misinformed, rather than malice.

Being in favour of a ceasefire is not the same as being pro-Hamas. Many people marching have lost loved ones, friends, colleagues, and just want the killing to stop.

I'm not understanding how the Pro-Palestinian posters here on Mumsnet are claiming that these marches are neutral, peaceful marches and are not Pro-Hamas. Just listen to the speeches and chants. They're so obviously pro-Hamas! And I view every person attending these marches as unfortunately pro Hamas.

He criticised the designation of Hamas as a terrorist group and said reports that the group had perpetrated rape on October 7 were a “lie”.

Definitely a Hamas supporter

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/30/hamas-muslim-association-of-britain-altikriti-oct-7/

I saw the whole 'if a plane hit the pentagon where did the wings go' photo thing and you find yourself looking at the photo going 'gosh, that is odd' and that is how conspiracy theorists suck you in because they present you with something you are not even remotely qualified to analyse, ask you a question and then when you can't answer it, present you with their theory which you then latch onto as the only plausible explanation. Can't have been a plane.

But then you have to give your head a wobble and think 'so we know 3 planes were definitely hijacked and crashed, loads of evidence for that, and a 4th plane and all the people on board disappeared on the same day and it was claimed that it crashed into the Pentagon - isn't it more likely that it did crash into the Pentagon as claimed rather than it disappeared somewhere else, everyone on board was killed somehow with no one noticing and at the same time they destroyed the Pentagon in some other way?

My original point was a riposte to your claim that it was a missile, with an explanation for the lack of plane debris.

Google reveals many reports stating that the two black boxes were in fact found at the Pentagon crash site. The cockpit voice recorder was unsalvageable but the information from the flight data recorder was recoverable, hence the flight path and speed at time of impact (530 mph) being known.

I’m now even less sure how talk of plane wings falling off and missiles fits into this really, but I’ve quite enjoyed the little diversion into conspiracy theory territory.

The black box is an instrument that documents all of the operations of the aircraft while it is in flight. The main one is located at the front of the aircraft. Typically, an aeroplane has two black boxes located at the front and rear of the aircraft.

After a crash, black boxes usually retain recordings for approximately 20 seconds leading up to the accident. Some black boxes record only the last few seconds or events before a collision occurs.

As you say it is rare that nothing is recovered but rare doesn't mean that this doesn't happen on occasion. So not sure your point here, as you say yourself that sometimes nothing is recovered.

Anyway I actually don't care what you believe about 9/11 but wanted to point out the flaw in your own argument regarding this bit of it

64 people died on board the flight that you claim did not crash into the Pentagon. Who killed them then? What happened to their flight?

I'm asking who you think is responsible. I'm not going to find that out through Google.

One last point….An inexperienced Cessna pilot would never be able to hand fly a 757 so close to the ground and execute a 55 knot descending turn ( which would cause the aircraft to break up before impact) to hit the Pentagon….. That’s where it gets complicated.

I’m sure you are just as capable of googling this. It has nothing to do with supporting Hamas, if read earlier posts, I said I was massively derailing the thread.
so let’s get back on subject shall we.

The black box is always situated in the tail of the aircraft, and it’s very rare that nothing is recoverable, even if unreadable.

Spell it out for us. Who, according to you was responsible for 9/11 and why. And what does it have to do with people supporting Hamas.

I don't know you tell me.

Even a black box cannot withstand a high speed impact with a virtually bombproof building. Like I said- high speed object hitting very hard, dense, immovable object = almost total disintegration. Talking about wings falling off and disappearing and attempting sarcasm to disguise an inability to grasp physics is a completely different issue.

Which allied governments wanted the public on side to go into Iraq ? I’m not just singling one out here, there were several. As I say this took years in the planning to destabilise the ME

Of course there is a lot of bullshit about, of course two passenger planes crashed into the world trade centre, I didn’t say they did not. 9/11 was years in the planning, but do you all seriously believe everything the US government tells you ! Of course it was a terrorist attack of the worse kind, but don’t be so sure that you know who was behind it.