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Do lots of people support Hamas?

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elprup · 03/12/2023 20:33

I just read this story and it is absolutely horrific

I saw ten Hamas terrorists beat and gang-rape an Israeli woman

https://mol.im/a/12820081

Is everyone on the pro-Palestine marches in London solely supporting the innocent civilians of Palestine (as I do too)? Or are there some people on these marches supporting the actions of Hamas as well?

I want to join the marches in support of innocent adults and kids in Gaza (and I would want to march for the same reasons on any pro Israel marches too), but I do not want to endorse Hamas in any shape or form. They are absolutely vile.

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Livinginanotherworld · 04/12/2023 20:21

Depdawg · 04/12/2023 15:21

Oh do get a grip. She is extremist. It's that extremism that leads to terrorist attacks from any faith.
Yes but of course she loves her mosque that much she's willing to die for it.
That is something a child would say.
It's the means by which she is willing to sacrifice herself that comes into question.
I guess you're one of the posters, however, who doesn't apply your same 'rationale' to what does and doesn't represent antisemitism.

You obviously have no idea of the Muslim faith do you ?

Livinginanotherworld · 04/12/2023 20:18

Depdawg · 04/12/2023 14:53

Of course it's hate speech; it's extremism. Good Lord 🙄

You are talking out of your backside, that was not hate speech. Al Asqa mosque is one of the most important mosques in the world for Muslim people, she was demonstrating her worship of it.

Trulywonderful · 04/12/2023 20:10

miniegg3 · 04/12/2023 15:55

No idea.. but the few members discussed further up just love reporting posts that aren't even offensive, they just don't agree with their opinions on palastine. It's hilarious 😂 twisting people's words and then saying they've reported you lol

Yes some posters do like to twist what people are posting to try and discredit them or make them look bad. I had someone straight out lie about me today in order to discredit my posts. I mean people can read my posts so it is nuts to lie about me. Some posters just get their knickers in a twist don't agree with every last thing they do it seems. The idea of a conversation or debate is lost on some.

Livinginanotherworld · 04/12/2023 20:08

OuiOuiKitty · 04/12/2023 13:07

However, there are 4 or 5 main Pro Palestinian posters extremely active on the conflict boards and they probably keep changing their names so it looks like they have support. Anyway, if you go through their posts - easy to do - just open up a thread in a browser and hit Ctrl and F together and type in their user name, you will see all their posts and see a pattern and zero condemnation for Hamas. They engage in extreme whataboutery about Israel and how they have treated Gazans badly for 75 years and therefore Israel had it coming. They also pop up on threads where obviously Jewish people are discussing concerns about Anti- Semitism.

I mean you could say the same thing about the pro genocide posters. Zero condemnation for the killing of nearly 20000 people, its the opposite, its post after post defending it. Those core pro genocide posters have had multiple posts deleted for racism, it's obvious why they don't care that innocent people are being killed in huge numbers. The anger and disgust those posters show when anyone puts the innocent people killed on 7/10 on the same level as the innocent people killed over the past 2 months is a sight to behold and really shows their true feelings.

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This is a nutshell !

Trulywonderful · 04/12/2023 20:04

backtowinter · 04/12/2023 17:40

Well one poster (on another thread) has just likened Hamas to those who took part in the Warsaw ghetto uprising

Oh for goodness sake

Is there no end to the twisted shit some people come out with in defence of Hamas

Make me want to hit my head against a wall until I can unsee and hear this fuckwittery, it really does.

ChickHenLittle · 04/12/2023 18:14

Tryingmybestadhd · 04/12/2023 14:41

No I don’t believe in eugenics but I do believe in parents being responsible for what they do . Why will anyone have 5 children if you can’t even afford to feed them and do you actually realise the real reason in palestine ?

Go on, tell us the real reason. I can ask my parents for verification.

backtowinter · 04/12/2023 17:40

Well one poster (on another thread) has just likened Hamas to those who took part in the Warsaw ghetto uprising

miniegg3 · 04/12/2023 15:55

ohforheavenssakedearcomeonnow · 04/12/2023 13:27

The post where I suggest a few may be supporters and the CTRL F hack?

How would this break talk guidelines?

No idea.. but the few members discussed further up just love reporting posts that aren't even offensive, they just don't agree with their opinions on palastine. It's hilarious 😂 twisting people's words and then saying they've reported you lol

basculin · 04/12/2023 15:53

There was one poster who actually said the words "I support Hamas". Pretty sure that's illegal. The post didn't last long though.

Trulywonderful · 04/12/2023 15:48

Scirocco · 04/12/2023 15:32

I've not seen any clear statements of support. I've seen people say they can understand how people have ended up in this situation, but understanding or having empathy is not the same as supporting.

Anyone who openly expresses support for a proscribed organisation, on a public forum no less, is an idiot.

Unfortunately some people's posts just after the pogrom and on threads since got deleted. Some of those people had their user accounts removed but some didn't depending on exactly what they said. However lots of us have seen posts before deletion plus some people had done screenshot of a few examples from what I remember on the antisemitism signs thread I believe

Scirocco · 04/12/2023 15:32

DownNative · 04/12/2023 10:23

There have been several people on Mumsnet who clearly invriminated themselves in support for Hamas. Some of them were reported by myself and I reminded MN of their legal responsibilities to get them to delete as well as ban such users.

Others are what is called sneaking regarders and there's more of them posting covert support for Hamas.

It does exist here and may not be immediately recognisable to most members here. But I can see them due to long experience in this area.

I've not seen any clear statements of support. I've seen people say they can understand how people have ended up in this situation, but understanding or having empathy is not the same as supporting.

Anyone who openly expresses support for a proscribed organisation, on a public forum no less, is an idiot.

MercanDede · 04/12/2023 15:30

Depdawg · 04/12/2023 15:21

Oh do get a grip. She is extremist. It's that extremism that leads to terrorist attacks from any faith.
Yes but of course she loves her mosque that much she's willing to die for it.
That is something a child would say.
It's the means by which she is willing to sacrifice herself that comes into question.
I guess you're one of the posters, however, who doesn't apply your same 'rationale' to what does and doesn't represent antisemitism.

She is saying she would die for Al Aqsa mosque because there is history of extremist settler terrorist attacks on Palestinian mosques, the largest one was the Ibrahimi mosque massacre in 1994 which occurred in Hebron, in the occupied West Bank. Muslim Palestinians in East Jerusalem that have suffered raids of Al Aqsa including being beaten up are literally afraid one day one of the extremists will just do what Goldstein did in Hebron in the Ibrahimi mosque.

Fear of extremist attacks is not extremism. By your logic fear of terrorist attacks is terrorism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre

Cave of the Patriarchs massacre - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre

backtowinter · 04/12/2023 15:24

@Auvergne63 I don't recall anywhere telling you what you can and cannot do

I'd need to care enough and I just don't

Depdawg · 04/12/2023 15:21

Katy231 · 04/12/2023 15:00

You are being disgustingly islamaphobic. If a Jew said they love their holy land and I called that person an extremist you would call me anti-Semitic.

You very well know it is one of the most holiest sites for Muslims.

Oh do get a grip. She is extremist. It's that extremism that leads to terrorist attacks from any faith.
Yes but of course she loves her mosque that much she's willing to die for it.
That is something a child would say.
It's the means by which she is willing to sacrifice herself that comes into question.
I guess you're one of the posters, however, who doesn't apply your same 'rationale' to what does and doesn't represent antisemitism.

Auvergne63 · 04/12/2023 15:20

backtowinter · 04/12/2023 14:56

@Auvergne63

Wow I don't even know where to start with this. There are so many fallacies that I don't have the time or the will to debunk them. *
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It's ok, I don't think anyone is asking you to

This was a figure of speech. Anyway I don't need you to tell me what I can or can't do.

MercanDede · 04/12/2023 15:19

Tryingmybestadhd · 04/12/2023 14:59

Or maybe because children are seen as something somewhat disposable ? I even have Palestinian colleagues telling me this .

It’s more the reality that if you are a Palestinian mother in Gaza, not all your children will survive to adulthood due to the dire living conditions and constant conflict. But as this has been going on since 1948, they don’t really have the choice to be childless without self-extincting their entire ethnicity and culture. The culture values enduring great loss with stoicism and carrying in the face of impossible odds.

Auvergne63 · 04/12/2023 15:18

Tryingmybestadhd · 04/12/2023 14:59

Or maybe because children are seen as something somewhat disposable ? I even have Palestinian colleagues telling me this .

I would love to speak to your Palestinian colleagues!

Auvergne63 · 04/12/2023 15:16

Tryingmybestadhd · 04/12/2023 14:41

No I don’t believe in eugenics but I do believe in parents being responsible for what they do . Why will anyone have 5 children if you can’t even afford to feed them and do you actually realise the real reason in palestine ?

You judge from a western point of view where contraception is easily available, where the cultural norm is to have small family and where family ties are not as strong as in the past; let alone not using contraception on religious grounds.
Please explain to me what you imply by "do you actually realise the real reason in Palestine"? This does not make sense grammatical or otherwise ( I have an inkling what you mean but I want you to spell it out).

Trulywonderful · 04/12/2023 15:12

Tryingmybestadhd · 04/12/2023 14:41

No I don’t believe in eugenics but I do believe in parents being responsible for what they do . Why will anyone have 5 children if you can’t even afford to feed them and do you actually realise the real reason in palestine ?

I just don't personally think it is fair to judge Gazens for having big families. There are cultural reasons like for religious people the more children you have the more blessed you are said to be. However mostly it is likely to be for a similar reason as many people in poorer countries tend to have bigger families. There are multiple reasons as to why this happens.

MercanDede · 04/12/2023 15:12

Depdawg · 04/12/2023 14:53

Of course it's hate speech; it's extremism. Good Lord 🙄

It sounds extreme until you realise that Al Aqsa mosque in occupied East Jerusalem has been the subject of a tug of war between Israeli and Palestinian for decades. Extremist factions and the IDF have attacked Muslim worshippers in the mosque and certain far right extremists groups are lobbying to have it demolished and a synagogue built in its place, that they call the 3rd Temple.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/12/middleeast/inside-al-aqsa-mosque-status-quo-mime-intl/index.html

Inside Al-Aqsa, Muslims say they're losing control of the holy site | CNN

On the grounds of the Al-Aqsa complex, one of the most revered places in Islam and Judaism, a delicate balance that governs this holy site is under strain.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/12/middleeast/inside-al-aqsa-mosque-status-quo-mime-intl/index.html

Depdawg · 04/12/2023 15:00

Tryingmybestadhd · 04/12/2023 14:59

Or maybe because children are seen as something somewhat disposable ? I even have Palestinian colleagues telling me this .

There's a lot of disposable children in this conflict. Jewish people will also tell you that.

Katy231 · 04/12/2023 15:00

Depdawg · 04/12/2023 14:53

Of course it's hate speech; it's extremism. Good Lord 🙄

You are being disgustingly islamaphobic. If a Jew said they love their holy land and I called that person an extremist you would call me anti-Semitic.

You very well know it is one of the most holiest sites for Muslims.

Tryingmybestadhd · 04/12/2023 14:59

Or maybe because children are seen as something somewhat disposable ? I even have Palestinian colleagues telling me this .

backtowinter · 04/12/2023 14:56

@Auvergne63

Wow I don't even know where to start with this. There are so many fallacies that I don't have the time or the will to debunk them. *
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It's ok, I don't think anyone is asking you to

Depdawg · 04/12/2023 14:53

Katy231 · 04/12/2023 14:50

She is literally just saying she will die for al aqsa mosque ... Because she loves it so much. Have you never heard anyone say something similar?

How is she spouting hate? ... If that's the worst case of Hamas supporting you can find then you need to get a reality check.

Of course it's hate speech; it's extremism. Good Lord 🙄